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    For your turkey fryer idea I recommend the Martin brand cooktop. I connect mine to the bbq connection and use the house propane tanks. The turkey fryer from Canadian Tire has a timer on it that shuts itself off.
    I also made a shroud around it to keep the wind off the flame.20220326_154605.jpg
    2021 - Year one. 15 taps using 5/16" and drop tube into buckets. Homemade barrel evaporator with 2 steam trays.
    2022. 32 taps. Added AUF.
    2023. 51 taps. Ditched the steam pans for an 18x22 flat pan.
    2024. 56 taps. Built a proper evaporator to fit the 18x22 flat pan and 1 steam pan.
    2025. 62 taps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamyotte View Post
    For your turkey fryer idea I recommend the Martin brand cooktop. I connect mine to the bbq connection and use the house propane tanks. The turkey fryer from Canadian Tire has a timer on it that shuts itself off.
    I also made a shroud around it to keep the wind off the flame.Attachment 22693
    Thanks

    Is Martin just the brand name of the pot or the fryer?

    Found this one on Amazon and is at Home Depot for $8 more.
    https://www.amazon.ca/Portable-Outdo...dDbGljaz10cnVl
    Last edited by Swingpure; 01-02-2023 at 06:38 PM.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swingpure View Post
    Heating up the sap this past week, it struck me how much heat it takes to heat up cold sap.

    Right now my setup is to have cold sap from my feed tank go directly to my float box and into the divided pan.

    Another option is to have a heating pan (as per the attached photo, I may not have named it correctly) that sits in the end of the divided pan that would heat the sap somewhat and also feed the pan based on how much you crack the valve.

    Would you recommend a float box over this heated pan?

    I know there are options where you could wrap stainless steel tubing around the stack, but the way everything is oriented now, I do not have that as a choice.

    Thanks

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/00aj...xxZUSkVgzm-JJg

    Attachment 22691

    The image you posted is the set up I use with two exceptions: 1) it is a mirror image of mine. 2) my preheater pan sits on a shelf I fabricated into the evaporator instead of sitting over the pan. The flue gasses pass under the preheater shelf and warm it up. I haven’t measured the temperature but it’s hot enough to make it steam. I will try to post an image…

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/083s...Cv4iPsj8ZMOXXA

    http://https://share.icloud.com/photos/083s_dJQoZ8Cv4iPsj8ZMOXXA
    Last edited by 82cabby; 01-02-2023 at 06:23 PM.
    Sugaring since 2000.
    2022 - 113 taps on tubing and gravity. Homemade wood fired evaporator and homemade RO.
    2023 - 120 taps on 5/16 and gravity added a float to the pan. built a new 5x400gpd RO. Still use the old one too!
    2024 - 125 taps still on 5/16 tubing and gravity, two home made ROs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnallin View Post
    Probably not 100, maybe 60?
    Depends on how much you keep in there.
    Still way better than dumping cold sap into a boiling pan as you’re only adding by the drop to match your evaporation rate.
    You can do the same with any pan suspended in the steam or near a good heat source, and just dripping into the boil.
    Thanks, I appreciate all of the information.

    I was just reviewing my notes with my pan builder, as I remembered we had a discussion about it several months ago. He said it thought it only would improve the gph by 1/4 of a gallon/hour. He personally was not a fan of them, but said he would build one. From there we went onto discussing other pans and ideas and never went back to it.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Im not great at posting images. I either posted an image of my rig or reposted an image of yours….. if someone could please let me know if it worked I would appreciate it….
    Sugaring since 2000.
    2022 - 113 taps on tubing and gravity. Homemade wood fired evaporator and homemade RO.
    2023 - 120 taps on 5/16 and gravity added a float to the pan. built a new 5x400gpd RO. Still use the old one too!
    2024 - 125 taps still on 5/16 tubing and gravity, two home made ROs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82cabby View Post
    The image you posted is the set up I use with two exceptions: 1) it is a mirror image of mine. 2) my preheater pan sits on a shelf I fabricated into the evaporator instead of sitting over the pan. The flue gasses pass under the preheater shelf and warm it up. I haven’t measured the temperature but it’s hot enough to make it steam. I will try to post an image…

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/083s...Cv4iPsj8ZMOXXA

    http://https://share.icloud.com/photos/083s_dJQoZ8Cv4iPsj8ZMOXXA
    Thanks, I got the picture, interesting. I could still modify my evaporator to accommodate that if I went that way.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    This is the cooktop I have. I bought mine from Max Propane a local Propane supplier.

    https://www.homedepot.ca/product/mar...B&gclsrc=aw.ds
    2021 - Year one. 15 taps using 5/16" and drop tube into buckets. Homemade barrel evaporator with 2 steam trays.
    2022. 32 taps. Added AUF.
    2023. 51 taps. Ditched the steam pans for an 18x22 flat pan.
    2024. 56 taps. Built a proper evaporator to fit the 18x22 flat pan and 1 steam pan.
    2025. 62 taps.

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    Last night around 10 pm, the forecast changed and suggested the temperature would drop to -3°/26.6° and there was a chance for a flow today. I was tempted to order the turkey fryer on Amazon which would arrive in a couple of days. However at the time what they were saying was the current temperature was off, so I held off ordering the turkey fryer. Sure enough the temperature did not drop below freezing overnight and there was no flow today. I am partially happy because I cleaned and put everything away, but I would have taken it out again.

    Today I added some extra tarp walls to two sides of the shelter just to help keep blowing snow out.

    I am still trying to get the firebox grate for the evaporator. I had been working with a steel company who I know the owners, but for one reason or another, over 8 months they have not been able to get it. I have branched out today and I am trying two new sources.

    I have not heard back from my pan maker yet. I am sure he is busy, I will try again next week if I do not hear back from him this week.

    Winter returns tomorrow.

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/023m...aVM5nwM96skcJg

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/03cN...iqppB2Dfknk0UQ

    9FF6533E-91DF-44FB-8E0D-07387D508298.jpg
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    It occurred to me yesterday, that I could also use my truck to transport the sap from my collection barrels to my evaporator area. My truck has 12v 185watt power ports as well as a 110v outlet. I can run my 12v 125 watt pump from the power ports and have enough quick connect cable to go from a power port to an on off switch that I would control in the bed of the truck, to the pump in the collection tank.

    I could use a combination of a 55 gallon barrel, a 35 gallon tank and some 5 gallon pails to hold the potential, but rare 110 gallons of sap.

    I have a safe place to park on the edge of a low traffic road and it would save me time.

    I have purchased the connector from the power port to the quick connect ends and already have the on off switches and sufficient length of cable and hose to make it work.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    I heard from my pan builder and my 2x4 divided pan, float box, base stack, base stack base, and accessories, should be ready in two weeks. Colour me excited! That will give me lots of time to get the base stack all set up through the metal roof.

    I still have to buy a storm collar. The double wall pipe will go through the roof, then there will be about a three foot (possible 6’) piece of single wall pipe that will go above it for a total length of 12-15’ long exhaust.

    Should the storm collar go on the double wall pipe, or on the single wall pipe?

    Today I measured the distance from the far end of my collection point to the far end of where my truck bed would be and it was 25’. I have lots of quick connect cable and hose to reach that distance.

    Today was a nice day, almost thought the sap would run again, but the temperatures never quite got above zero. It turns cold now, so no flow for awhile.
    Last edited by Swingpure; 01-06-2023 at 08:17 PM.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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