Gary, you've got the same thing going on that I do. Several of my trees are elm/maple, one side being the elm and the other a sugar maple yet when you look at the ground it appears to be all one single stump.
2004 - 2012 2x3 flat pan 25 to 60 taps
2012 2x3 new divided pan w/draw off 55 taps
2018 - didn't boil surgery - bought new evaporator
2019 new SML 2x4 raised flue high output evap. 65 taps
made 17 gal. syrup
2020 - only put out 53 taps - made 16.25 gal. syrup
2021 - Didn't work out
2022 - 25 taps on bags / 8 taps on 3/16's line - late start
2025 - No tapping for me
I sometimes use binoculars and look at the branches, maple trees have opposing branches, elm trees have alternating branches. Sometimes hard to judge until you get familiar.
2019 - Barrel evaporator 2 steam pans 44 taps 13 Liters syrup
2020 - Barrel evaporator 2 steam pans 51 taps 21 Liters syrup
2021- New homemade 2x3 evaporator and flat pan 80 drop lines to buckets
2022- (•,•)1350L naturally ROd sap 44L syrup
2023- "\_(°•°)_/" 1100L sap 30L syrup not accurate due to natural RO
2024 { ';' }1862L sap 52L syrup 52 drop lines to buckets
Here are the day time pictures of the elm and maple trees.
As I mentioned yesterday, the pictures could have two maple trees, two elm trees, or one of each. I am saying that so you will have the same doubt I would have in the forest. If you think one is elm and one is maple say for each photo, which one is the maple.
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Thank you I do appreciate any tips for distinguishing the two trees from each other.
2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
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2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.
Are those the same trees? Left/right orientation same in both photos?
Look at branch structure as someclown suggested in addition to bark. Maple trees are opposite, elm is alternating. Picture of canopies is hard to tell but one on left is not a maple.
Of trunks... hard to tell alone, but one on right does not look like sugar maple bark to me. Would want to see canopy tho to confirm.
One of left....looks like sugar maple but would want to walk around it and look at canopy just to be sure.
D. Roseum
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You are correct on both accounts.
After posting the picture of the bark, I could see the difference, although they can be similar colours, and look similar, the maple is more gnarly and the elm more uniform.
Although I can see the difference between those two crowns, others I find tougher to tell the difference.
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2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
DYI Vacuum Filter
2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.
As far as I can tell from the pictures of the full trees, there's one elm and one maple. Elm on the left maple on the right. I have been wrong before. When i zoom in on the upper branches they seem to be alternating on the tree on the left and opposing on the tree on the right.
See what others think
This comment is from your first set of daytime pictures
Last edited by Someclown; 12-07-2022 at 06:21 PM.
2019 - Barrel evaporator 2 steam pans 44 taps 13 Liters syrup
2020 - Barrel evaporator 2 steam pans 51 taps 21 Liters syrup
2021- New homemade 2x3 evaporator and flat pan 80 drop lines to buckets
2022- (•,•)1350L naturally ROd sap 44L syrup
2023- "\_(°•°)_/" 1100L sap 30L syrup not accurate due to natural RO
2024 { ';' }1862L sap 52L syrup 52 drop lines to buckets
I concur with DRoseum. On the bark pic, the one on the right does not look like a maple. On the canopy pic, the one on the left is not a maple.
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2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
DYI Vacuum Filter
2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.
I walked the steep hill with the three lines this afternoon. (Just an aside, I watch “Gold Rush” on TV and they always name their “cuts”, I wonder if I should have names for my lines, but I digress)
Having learnt the difference in the maple and the elm trees, I found it quite easy to distinguish between the two in the forest. (At least I think I have). I walked a path to the left of my left line and marked another 34 potential trees I could tap.
I could go buy more tubing tomorrow and run and put the drops on them, before the expected snow Sunday, but I am thinking I would be smarter to wait and see how I deal with the increased sap volume this year before getting way over my head. Also by waiting I can see what the landowner feels about our arrangement for our first year and if he gives me the blessing to continue the following year, that can be something I can add later.
My natural instinct is to tap as much as I can and find a way to deal with the sap. I can always give any extra sap to the landowners uncle who is a sugar maker nearby.
2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
DYI Vacuum Filter
2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.