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    Default Shuffle controls.

    I’m curious if anyone else has tried this or knows why I shouldn’t try it. I’m planning to use a 4048 Shurflo pump next year to provide suction for Around 110 taps on 3/16” tubing. I plan to use a temperature sensor and controller from e Outstanding to turn the pump on at 32 degrees and off at 30. A 12 volt deep cycle battery will power everything and be charged by a 100watt solar panel.

    My thought is that the pump will turn on when it warms up and turn off after it freezes and the sap has stopped, so that the pump and filter will be empty when the pump shuts off. I think that will prevent burst lines? I may add a Power to open solenoid valve to allow sap to flow into my tank if the pump fails.

    I know there are more complicated ways to do this but like to keep things simple when possible. Anyone else using something like this? Thanks.
    2012 3 1/2 gallons on a block arch. 25 buckets.
    2017 44 gallons on a Homemade 2x6 arch. 170 taps all on 3/16" tubing.
    2019 62 gallons on 200 taps on 3/16” tubing.

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    I have tried the programmable temperature switch in the past. It worked ok, but I actually prefer a different solution now...

    Is there cell or wifi service at your collection point? If so, I recommend a webcam and a smart-switch. Point the webcam at a thermometer so you can see the temperature and turn the pump on or off whenever you want from your cell phone. Added benefits are that you can point the camera at your vacuum gauge and tank to monitor their status as well. You may also be able to see the sap flow. Here is my view:

    Tank-Cam.jpg

    The little white rod in the background behind the releaser is a float-stick with markings for every 50 gallons in the tank.
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    Make sure your turn-on temperature is set right. I have seen blown fuses if pump is still frozen when it tries to turns on. Or melted wires if there isn't a fuse. I set my controllers to turn on above 35 degrees. 30 degrees is a reasonable turn-off temperature. Sap is sometimes still running a little at 30 degrees so if you want to make sure lines are frozen when pump turns off it could be reduced another degree or two.

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    That was my thought as well. When I used a temperature controller, I used 28F and 35F as my setpoints.
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    Homemade Steamaway - 10 gph
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgagne99 View Post
    That was my thought as well. When I used a temperature controller, I used 28F and 35F as my setpoints.
    I use similar temp settings at 34 on and 28 off. I also use the 4048 on 140 taps. This setup is inside an unheated sap shack and I have never had a problem with freezing creating problems. I have 110 power at the shack and use a 12 volt power source instead of the battery. The power source is plugged into a temp controller. The temp controllers are not always super accurate but you can change settings or calibrate pretty easily to get close. This setup has worked well for several years.

    Other more common setups could be in an insulated cooler to reduce the harshness of the freeze on the pump.
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    2021 - 215 taps 3/16 shurflo, added 2nd membrane to RO - 78 gallons
    2020 - 210 taps 3/16 shurflo, upgraded hp pump on RO - 66 gallons
    2019 - 150 taps 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 taps 3/16 hybrid (shurflo), 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons
    2017 - 60 taps 3/16 gravity, oil tank arck w/ steam pans - 12.5 gallons

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    I did this but use 110v with transformer. Worked great. Kept it in a cooler (outside all season) to prevent any pump freezing.
    The 12v temp controllers are CHEAP. $12 for all 3.
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    2021: 27.1 gallons

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    Ive been using shurflos for years.

    Ive never had a problem with them freezing or any tubing to burst because of freezing. They will pretty much run dry once the temperature drops and the switch turns them off if you set it correctly. the sap will freeze in the tubing and the pump will be fine. All of mine are in Black plastic containers. The sun or the radiated heat from the sky hits the box and gets it warmer before the temp probe kicks on with the air temperature.

    so long story short, you are over thinking, no need to stress.
    2021 Twin Baby Boys, Close to 650 taps
    2020 Upgraded RO to 2 post and 7GBS Gould Pump. 265 taps
    2019 New Smoky Lake 2x6 raised flue, Simplicity Autodraw system, The Maple Guys Maple Jet Filter Press, a beautiful new bride to be my sugaring partner :-)
    2018 Deployed
    2017 Expanded Sugar Shack, new 2x6 with float box, NEXTgen Maple RO, 250+ taps (I hope for 300), still on sap sacks
    2016 New Sugar Shack, 2x6 evaporator, 160 taps, all on Sap Sacks
    2015 Deployed
    2014 110 taps
    2013 35 taps

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    Thanks everyone. Looks like simple works for others. Will stick to my plan and see how it goes. Thanks too for figuring out shuffle just means auto correct changed Shurflo. Dang!
    2012 3 1/2 gallons on a block arch. 25 buckets.
    2017 44 gallons on a Homemade 2x6 arch. 170 taps all on 3/16" tubing.
    2019 62 gallons on 200 taps on 3/16” tubing.

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