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    Default The taste of niter

    When I'm filtering after getting my syrup to the right density I take a sample in a small glass cup and let it cool while I pour my syrup through the filter. I like syrup at room temp and my wife and I taste it. This year we both came to same conclusion that the syrup had an off flavor. I described it as dirty and she described it as a bad after taste. After filtering I did the same thing and we both thought the syrup tasted fine. Could we have been tasting niter? If so what are peoples descriptions of niters taste?
    2012 8 Taps 3 pts syrup.
    2013 38 Taps 10 gals. syrup made with turkey cooker
    2014 57 Taps 10 gals. syrup. Homemade fuel oil tank evaporator
    2015 51 Taps, 10 gals. syrup.
    2016 50 Taps, 9 gals. Syrup
    2017 54 Taps, 13 gals. syrup
    2018 75 Taps, 21 gals. syrup
    2019 67 Taps, 21 gals.
    2020 73 Taps, 20 gals.

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    Interesting. I continually sample my syrup right off the draw off, so unfiltered, and it seems to taste fine. I actually have people request unfiltered syrup because they think it has less flavor after filtering. I do notice the change in flavor as the season progresses and the syrup becomes darker. I guess this doesn't answer your question, but I'm interested in what others have to say.
    Gary / Zena Crossroads / 42˚ 00' 24" N / Hobby in Early '70s, Addiction since 2014

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    2 x 6 Smoky Lake hybrid pan on Corsair arch with AUF/steam hood/preheater/concentric exhaust
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    Yes I have noticed a bitter flavor from raw syrup with a lot of niter in it. The syrup tastes fine right away, but after a few seconds in the mouth, it gets this astringent flavor. Not quite metallic, nor like a hoppy beer or astringent wine, but in that general area.

    Gabe
    2016: Homemade arch from old woodburning stove. 2 steam tray pans. 6 taps on buckets. 1.1 galls
    2017: Same homemade evaporator, but souped up. Still 2 steam tray pans. 15 taps on buckets. 4.5 galls
    2018: Same setup. Limited time. 12 taps and short season. 2.2 gallons
    2019: Still very limited time. Downsized to 7 taps and a short season. 1.8 gallons
    2020: 9 taps, new Mason 2x3 XL halfway through season, 2 gallons
    2021: 18 taps. Mason 2x3 XL, 4.5 galls

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    That's interesting cuz my wife said she got a taste on the side of her tongue "kind of like metallic ".
    2012 8 Taps 3 pts syrup.
    2013 38 Taps 10 gals. syrup made with turkey cooker
    2014 57 Taps 10 gals. syrup. Homemade fuel oil tank evaporator
    2015 51 Taps, 10 gals. syrup.
    2016 50 Taps, 9 gals. Syrup
    2017 54 Taps, 13 gals. syrup
    2018 75 Taps, 21 gals. syrup
    2019 67 Taps, 21 gals.
    2020 73 Taps, 20 gals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCHTO View Post
    That's interesting cuz my wife said she got a taste on the side of her tongue "kind of like metallic ".
    that sounds about right, gritty, bitter and metallic

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    Good to know I'm not excessively fussy. Customers appreciate it too. Thanks!
    2012 8 Taps 3 pts syrup.
    2013 38 Taps 10 gals. syrup made with turkey cooker
    2014 57 Taps 10 gals. syrup. Homemade fuel oil tank evaporator
    2015 51 Taps, 10 gals. syrup.
    2016 50 Taps, 9 gals. Syrup
    2017 54 Taps, 13 gals. syrup
    2018 75 Taps, 21 gals. syrup
    2019 67 Taps, 21 gals.
    2020 73 Taps, 20 gals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCHTO View Post
    Good to know I'm not excessively fussy. Customers appreciate it too. Thanks!
    I'm confused by your "customers appreciate it too" statement. Nonetheless, I agree that niter has a bitter metallic flavor. If you taste a pure chunk you'll want to wash out your mouth - it's that bad.

    I never appreciated niter when we ran a 2x4 evaporator on 60 or so taps. I think it was partly due to the small quantity of sap, not so many boils, and that we didn't RO. Now, we process/boil about 10 times the sap in a single boil as we did all season and we concentrate to about 12% or more. After the first few boils, I can show anyone what niter looks like at the bottom of my draw-off tank. And I can peal up plates of it from the bottom of the syrup pan after the evaporator has cooled.

    I would not sell any of my syrup unfiltered even upon the customer's request. With the volume of niter in our unfiltered syrup, we would be selling an unhealthy product.

    Ken
    Ken & Sherry
    Williston, VT

    2017 - 13 gallons on 65 taps (12 buckets, rest 3/16), 2x4 flat bottom, modified cargo box sugarhouse
    2018 - 90 gallons on 418 taps (gravity lines), Leader 30"x10' Vortex Arch & Max Raised Flue with Rev Syrup Pan, New Sugarhouse
    2019 - Burned through alot more money: heated kitchen, 2x2,000 and 375 gal ss sap tanks, CDL1200 RO, Bauch Vac Pump, More taps, etc., etc., etc.
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    In most if not all states (and Provinces?) it's illegal to sell unfiltered syrup except as bulk.
    Dave Klish about 400 taps, down from much more. Retired from collecting and boiling in 2021. Mostly because of a bad hip.
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
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    My customers appreciate the fact that I am fussy. I have a no questions asked replace or refund rule and I never had a complaint. I wanted to know if I was tasting niter before I filtered. I was. I've had people want syrup before it was filtered after tasting while I was boiling it and I wouldn't give them any.
    2012 8 Taps 3 pts syrup.
    2013 38 Taps 10 gals. syrup made with turkey cooker
    2014 57 Taps 10 gals. syrup. Homemade fuel oil tank evaporator
    2015 51 Taps, 10 gals. syrup.
    2016 50 Taps, 9 gals. Syrup
    2017 54 Taps, 13 gals. syrup
    2018 75 Taps, 21 gals. syrup
    2019 67 Taps, 21 gals.
    2020 73 Taps, 20 gals.

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