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    Default Beware of maple sites that dumb down the answers for beginners

    I will not name the site out of respect for what they do, but I was invited to leave a maple site designed for beginners because I refused to dumb down my answers.
    I made a promise to myself back when I first moved from total backyard amateur into a small time producer and I totally appreciated the fact that regardless of how big a producer was, they were sharing their knowledge with me so I could hopefully not make the mistakes they had gone thru. I still do my best to help all beginners, and a few not so new producers. If I ever talk over your head, don't be afraid to ask for better, easier explanations. I always have been told I am able to explain things in easy to understand ways, if I fail that, let me know. I am never trying to confuse an answer.
    I like to think The Maple Trader is a perfect platform for producers of all skill levels, from first year beginners to those who are multi generational producers. We share ideas and issues freely regardless of each members experience, that is why I do this.
    I also posted this in the backyarder section.
    Dave Klish about 400 taps, down from much more. Retired from collecting and boiling in 2021. Mostly because of a bad hip.
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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    Thanks Dave. Always love to read your in deprh comments. You do a great job

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    I started reading about maple syrup production a season before I started doing it and joined this site. Never been a member in any other group as Iíve not seen a need to. Everybody on trader from large scale producers to the backyarders seem pretty good to me. More info then Iíll ever need and questions answered super quickly. What more can ya want lol. Iím not sure I can think of why they wouldnít want someone with a mass amount of knowledge but itís their loss.
    2017- first year 80 taps 22x36 home made arch and pan. Plus outside steamer pan setup.

    2018- ???taps same arch. New 8x12 sugar shack with additional 4 feet being added. Plan on setting up 2 gravity lines plus buckets. Prob around 100 taps

    2019- 85 taps 55l syrup 2019 can-am defender hd10 xt

    2020- 100 taps New 4x2 foot pan plus 1x2 pre heat pan. New homemade arch. 6x12 addition added to the shack.

    2021-160 taps. Same everything pretty much.

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    Dave, was this a Facebook group that you were on?
    Sugaring for 45+ years
    New Sugarhouse 14'x32'
    New to Me Algier 2'x8' wood fired evaporator
    225 Sugar Maples Currently,(105 on 3/16" and 110 on Shurflo 4008 vacuum, 10 gravity), (16,000 before being disabled)
    1947 Farmall H and Wagon with gathering tank
    2012 Kubota with forks to move wood around

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    For maple, I'm only on mapletrader. The only other forum I participate in is a fishing forum which can be somewhat more secretive (mostly about specific locations) but otherwise very helpful to all levels of users, particularly beginners.

    What I find on both forums is that actively participating makes me better at both. I learn from the thought I put into my responses and then the feedback from others with a different perspective or situation. Or, maybe they'll point out that I'm not seeing something correctly and I can learn from that.

    Thanks Dave since you participate in a lot of those discussions.

    Ken
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    Ken & Sherry
    Williston, VT

    2017 - 13 gallons on 65 taps (12 buckets, rest 3/16), 2x4 flat bottom, modified cargo box sugarhouse
    2018 - 90 gallons on 418 taps (gravity lines), Leader 30"x10' Vortex Arch & Max Raised Flue with Rev Syrup Pan, New Sugarhouse
    2019 - Burned through alot more money: heated kitchen, 2x2,000 and 375 gal ss sap tanks, CDL1200 RO, Bauch Vac Pump, More taps, etc., etc., etc.
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    Had to run to hardware store yesterday. An Ace hadware. They carry basic tapping supplies. A woman next to me had a couple buckets and spiles. I asked her if she wanted any advice. She was happy to listen. First time trying it. Her family has alot of land. All I said is don't boil in the house and go to Mapletrader.

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    Maple Trader has been an absolute blessing to me from the beginning. I have actually told people on other type of forums how great the knowledge sharing is here. I would say this site moved me ahead 5 years in the beginning. I learned so much about everything from tapping, to filtering to equipment and more. I think I may have just gave up in frustration if not for this site in the early years. Even though I had experience as a kid, I didn't have real professional knowledge. You all are the kindest people I have ever encountered in a trade.
    125-150 taps
    Smokey Lakes Full pint Hybrid pan
    Modified half pint arch
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    All 3/16 tubing
    Southern Ohio

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Dave, was this a Facebook group that you were on?
    Sorry, I will not divulge the site, no clues will be given. Even though they are misguiding back yarders, on many levels, they do still help some. We just need to hope many of their members find this forum.
    Dave Klish about 400 taps, down from much more. Retired from collecting and boiling in 2021. Mostly because of a bad hip.
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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