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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRenaud View Post
    I feel you on that one. I also don't like to tap in sub-freezing for risk of damaging around the tap hole.

    Think I'll wait until Tuesday before putting out more taps.
    I'm definitely waiting until Monday or Tuesday to tap.. but I need to install my drops onto my laterals (I upgraded this year :-) so I can just get out and tap when it's time.

    I"m also wondering if I should just wait out this thaw and it's going to freeze again after.. but wouldn't mind testing my new pump system out, etc and get a boil in next weekend... decisions decisions..
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    2021 -29 trees -23 on tubing, 6 on buckets. ~1240 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: TBD
    2020 -30 trees 32 taps. ~900 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: 27.1 litres of syrup.
    2019 -27 trees 31 taps. ~725 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: 22.2 litres of syrup.
    2018 -19 Trees 20 taps. ~750 Litres sap collected (~50 spoiled ). Syrup count -18 litres syrup
    2017 -4 trees 4 taps. ~60 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: 1.5 litres of syrup

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    Looking at tapping on Tuesday. I did end up taking the crap firebrick back to CT, unfortunately Hoffman's closed til Monday so I have to wait til then to get the rest of the firebrick. You're right, Hbk82, in that the masonry supply firebrick is much denser than the other stuff! I just hope the refractory cement will cure overnight. Wonder if I should put a space heater in my shack to help the refrac dry faster? Then need to do a test fire, and finally get ready for the sap....last year I got completely firehosed. 70l straight off the bat and stayed that way for a few days! Wouldn't mind a slower start to the season this year!
    Been tapping since 2008, but mostly unexceptional til recent years.
    2015 - 18 taps/6 trees, 424l sap and 20.75l syrup
    2016 - 18 taps/6 trees..701l sap, 24l syrup
    2017 - 17 taps/6 trees...474l sap, 15.75l syrup
    2018 - 17 taps/7 trees...819l sap, approx 28l syrup
    2019 - 18 taps/8 trees...585l sap, 28l syrup...21:1 ratio
    2020 - 18 taps/8 trees...890.04l sap...gave some away, some snafu'd....23l total for me from more like 690l all told
    2021 - 18 taps/8 trees...395l sap, 12 l syrup

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    Yup much better bricks. Those ones from local hardware stores are more for fireplaces applications. Iíd run that little heater on it if your unsure. You want all that moisture out before you hit it with some real heat or else itís gonna crack. The longer and harder it sets the longer it will last. The cold can actually freeze dry it locking moisture inside. Iíve seen cast jobs spall apart cause temps were too cold to cure properly. Nobody wants to lay bricks twice especially this old brick layer.
    2017- first year 80 taps 22x36 home made arch and pan. Plus outside steamer pan setup.

    2018- ???taps same arch. New 8x12 sugar shack with additional 4 feet being added. Plan on setting up 2 gravity lines plus buckets. Prob around 100 taps

    2019- 85 taps 55l syrup 2019 can-am defender hd10 xt

    2020- 100 taps New 4x2 foot pan plus 1x2 pre heat pan. New homemade arch. 6x12 addition added to the shack.

    2021-160 taps. Same everything pretty much.

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    Hi Folks,
    New to boiling this year. I phrase it that way since I purchased my used evaporator 3 years ago and finally have time and facilities to make a start. i have been lurking on this site for years and have enjoyed the information and discussions. Lots more to learn and probably lots of mistakes too!
    The evaporator is a Waterloo small 2X6 and the previous owner only put a few hours on it. My plan is to start small... and keep it small. This evaporator may be even toooo big for what I need. I don't envision commercial but on every post, it looks like everyone expands year over year! I'll try to resist the temptation!
    I have the potential to tap more but anticipate 25-40 on buckets and expand with experience. Is that a satisfactory number for this size evaporator to run?
    Located in the Haliburton area and with 4' of snow cover, I have some serious trails to make!
    and yes, I have the wood chopped and dry LOL!

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    Welcome to the forum Rodmeister.

    Unless my math is wrong, 1 inch of sap in a 2x6 pan amounts to about 27-28 litres. At a ~40:1 ratio that means you'd need about 1100 litres every boil to get close to finished syrup.. I think you'll find that difficult to do. I tap about 30 trees and get about 1200 litres all season (although my silvers do quit early). I think a 2x6 is better suited to well over 100 taps.. can you expand your tap count? Or if you have a sap pan and syrup pan combo, then that would work better as you can finish off in the syrup pan which would have much lower volume..

    Either way good luck on your first season!
    Paul.
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    2021 -29 trees -23 on tubing, 6 on buckets. ~1240 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: TBD
    2020 -30 trees 32 taps. ~900 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: 27.1 litres of syrup.
    2019 -27 trees 31 taps. ~725 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: 22.2 litres of syrup.
    2018 -19 Trees 20 taps. ~750 Litres sap collected (~50 spoiled ). Syrup count -18 litres syrup
    2017 -4 trees 4 taps. ~60 Litres sap collected. Syrup count: 1.5 litres of syrup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hkb82 View Post
    Yup much better bricks. Those ones from local hardware stores are more for fireplaces applications. Iíd run that little heater on it if your unsure. You want all that moisture out before you hit it with some real heat or else itís gonna crack. The longer and harder it sets the longer it will last. The cold can actually freeze dry it locking moisture inside. Iíve seen cast jobs spall apart cause temps were too cold to cure properly. Nobody wants to lay bricks twice especially this old brick layer.
    Thanks, I was hoping you'd see that post and chime in. Good thing I have lots of extension cords so I can run that heater out there!! I don't know if I will get as high up the barrel sides as I'd like - I believe someone was able to do 2 layers running lengthwise. I may just try for 1 and leave it at that.
    Been tapping since 2008, but mostly unexceptional til recent years.
    2015 - 18 taps/6 trees, 424l sap and 20.75l syrup
    2016 - 18 taps/6 trees..701l sap, 24l syrup
    2017 - 17 taps/6 trees...474l sap, 15.75l syrup
    2018 - 17 taps/7 trees...819l sap, approx 28l syrup
    2019 - 18 taps/8 trees...585l sap, 28l syrup...21:1 ratio
    2020 - 18 taps/8 trees...890.04l sap...gave some away, some snafu'd....23l total for me from more like 690l all told
    2021 - 18 taps/8 trees...395l sap, 12 l syrup

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    Anything is going to be better then nothing thatís for sure. You should be able to stack them length wise as long as your bricks have a lean outward of strait up vertically they will stay in place. providing you donít hit it to hard loading the fire. Iíd lay your first row as you said length wise front to back then if you think you could run one more row put them vertically front to back. Will give ya more height with only adding that one joint. You could just put them in dry no mortar as a test.
    2017- first year 80 taps 22x36 home made arch and pan. Plus outside steamer pan setup.

    2018- ???taps same arch. New 8x12 sugar shack with additional 4 feet being added. Plan on setting up 2 gravity lines plus buckets. Prob around 100 taps

    2019- 85 taps 55l syrup 2019 can-am defender hd10 xt

    2020- 100 taps New 4x2 foot pan plus 1x2 pre heat pan. New homemade arch. 6x12 addition added to the shack.

    2021-160 taps. Same everything pretty much.

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    So far the 10 bricks in place are placed lengthwise going across the barrel. Plan to do that going all the way to the back, then go lengthwise with the barrel as much as I can with another 16 bricks.
    Fun fact: sand freezes! Into really hard chunks! I literally broke a chunk of cinder block while breaking up the sand, so I didn't have clumps everywhere. Also plan to see how high I can go with no mortar, cause if I get firehosed like last year, I won't have the luxury of time to wait for mortar to dry.
    Been tapping since 2008, but mostly unexceptional til recent years.
    2015 - 18 taps/6 trees, 424l sap and 20.75l syrup
    2016 - 18 taps/6 trees..701l sap, 24l syrup
    2017 - 17 taps/6 trees...474l sap, 15.75l syrup
    2018 - 17 taps/7 trees...819l sap, approx 28l syrup
    2019 - 18 taps/8 trees...585l sap, 28l syrup...21:1 ratio
    2020 - 18 taps/8 trees...890.04l sap...gave some away, some snafu'd....23l total for me from more like 690l all told
    2021 - 18 taps/8 trees...395l sap, 12 l syrup

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    Thanks for the response Paul,
    I was afraid I would get this response.... feeling inadequate!
    Yes I can expand, looks like our acreage is OK for this evaporator but my tapping equipment falls short. Not sure how hard it will be to trek to 100 taps in 4' of snow as I have not made trails yet - just arrived from out of province.
    I should have provided more info; it is a continuous flow 2X6, divided flu pan, 2'finishing pan. I do have a good 50' drop from an area of about 150 trees within 600' of collecting tank (IBC), would need some lines however for gravity, don't want to climb the hill.....
    If I can figure out how to post some pics I will post.
    I have to admit after such a long wait this is exciting anticipation!
    My wife and I are all fired up.

    Paul Rodman
    2X6 Waterloo small
    2018 0 taps (bought equipment and stored)
    2019 0 taps
    2020 0 taps
    2021 ? taps

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    By the weather in Eastern Ontario it looks like by Tuesday the sap might be
    flowing enough to tap?

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