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    When over-density syrup crystalizes, does the remaining liquid approach correct density, and when it does, tend to stop crystalizing?
    2024: 28 taps, 7 gallons. RB5 purchased but not opened :-(
    2023: 30 taps, 17 trees, 11 properties, Sugar Maple & Norway. 2x3 flat over propane & kitchen finish. ~11(!) gallons.
    2022: 9 taps, 5 trees, 4 properties. 3 hotel pans on 3 Coleman 2-burner stoves burning gasoline; kitchen finish. ~3 gallons.
    2021: 2 taps, 1 sugar maple. Propane grill then kitchen finish. ~Pint.
    All years: mainly 5/16" drops into free supermarket frosting buckets. Some plastic sap buckets hanging on 5/16 sap-meister.

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    Re heat the syrup to 185-190 f. Once the proper density is reached by adding water ect, the sugar crystals will stop growing. The cyrstals in the syrup will turn back into syrup. The good thing is heavy syrup will never mold in the drum.
    I hope this answered your question.
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    Thanks! More was wondering what would happen if you didn't correct. I suppose I'm assuming its only slightly over spec. Would it crystalize a little and then stop, or would it eventually crystalize entirely. More of a curiosity question than practical, but I think the practical aspect is, if there is crystalization in the bottom of a jar, could you pour off the liquid and that liquid be more in spec. Are the crystals taking sugar from the liquid.
    2024: 28 taps, 7 gallons. RB5 purchased but not opened :-(
    2023: 30 taps, 17 trees, 11 properties, Sugar Maple & Norway. 2x3 flat over propane & kitchen finish. ~11(!) gallons.
    2022: 9 taps, 5 trees, 4 properties. 3 hotel pans on 3 Coleman 2-burner stoves burning gasoline; kitchen finish. ~3 gallons.
    2021: 2 taps, 1 sugar maple. Propane grill then kitchen finish. ~Pint.
    All years: mainly 5/16" drops into free supermarket frosting buckets. Some plastic sap buckets hanging on 5/16 sap-meister.

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    It will keep crystalizing. The heavyer it is, the faster the sugar crystals grow. In time it will be one big solid block of sugar.
    Blaisdell's Maple Farm
    started on a 2x2 pan in 2000 with Gramps buckets
    custom built oil fired 4x12 arch by me
    Thor pans Desinged by Thad Blaisdell
    4500 taps on a drop flue 8-4 split

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    I guess in theory at some point it will stop crystalizing, but get the proper test equipment and learn how to use it. Whenever you make over density syrup you get less volume of syrup.
    Just as an example, I recently opened a barrel of recently packed syrup, reheated it in my finisher, to about 195F, pumped it thru my filter press into my water jacketed bottler. Then I rechecked the density usung a Murphy Cup. It was 1.5 points too dense. I added almost 3 qts of distilled water in and blended it before upon retesting the density was correct. The Distilled water cost me $1.79 a gallon, but I got 3 qts more syrup (from a batch of about 14 gal of syrup. The distilled water at under $2 got me 3 qts more syrup at over $20 a qt, or actually $69 more syrup. I still sell qts at $23 each, and I could likely get $25 a qt if I raised the price, but i;m barely above the middle of what the local market is.
    Dave Klish, I recently bought a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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