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    Default Do I need to allow air into my small gravity flow tube system?

    I am a novice at this point, 10 taps last year...looking for 40 this year, have 30 in now. Concerning the vacuum in the line....I live in a mountainous region and placed 11 taps on a ridge behind my house. I have 300' of 1/2" OD tubing going up an estimated 100' + of elevation. I have 3 taps going directly into the 1/2" tube (via 3' sections of 5/16" drop lines) and the remaining 8 taps going into 3/8" OD tubing that connects to the 1/2" line. I left the upper end of the 1/2" line open, fearing that sap on that long of a run may get air locked if there was not a way for air to enter the line. After reading some other posts on here I am wondering if I should plug the upper end of the 1/2" line? Any other input to make this system better would be appreciated as I plan two additional separate small runs of 3/8" line connecting 4 to 5 taps each.

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    First. Close the line. There's actually a negative effect on sap yield if it's open.
    Second. Seems like your a perfect candidate for 3-16 tubing. Free vacuum is the best.
    first year 2012 50 taps late season made 2 1/2 gals.

    2013 2x6 homemade arch 180 taps. 20 Gals.

    2014 40 on 3/16 gravity 160 on buckets.

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    I agree. With that kind of drop, read up on 3/16 lines. Many on here are drooling already, just reading what your situation is.

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    Absolutely do NOT vent the lines unless your goal truly is to get less sap.
    Last edited by DrTimPerkins; 02-03-2016 at 09:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTimPerkins View Post
    Absolutely do NOT vent the lines unless your goal truly is to get more sap.
    Did you state that correct or should it have ended "...to get less sap."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by themidnightsapper View Post
    Did you state that correct or should it have ended "...to get less sap."?
    You are correct. I've fixed it. Serves me right trying to work while on vacation.
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    You will be better off with 3/16 laterals. Put 20-25 taps on each lateral and then run it downhill without a mainline. With what you describe you will get high vacuum without a pump. Now you need a bigger evaporator to keep up. You may need to sell some sap to another producer and save that money for a bigger evaporator. 40 taps on high vac. can give you 20+ gallons of syrup and if your sap is at 2% sugar that can be over 860 gal of sap to boil. Are you ready?
    Dave Klish, I recently bought a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maple flats View Post
    You will be better off with 3/16 laterals. Put 20-25 taps on each lateral and then run it downhill without a mainline. With what you describe you will get high vacuum without a pump. Now you need a bigger evaporator to keep up. You may need to sell some sap to another producer and save that money for a bigger evaporator. 40 taps on high vac. can give you 20+ gallons of syrup and if your sap is at 2% sugar that can be over 860 gal of sap to boil. Are you ready?
    Thanks for the input and no, I am not ready for that kind of volume. My current evaporator in layman's terms is referred to as a "turkey fryer", however my son and I are in the process of constructing a small evaporator. We are tapping mostly red maples and had hopes the best taps would give us 10 gallons of sap each, but on average would be looking at 5 gallons per tap. Looks like we need to upgrade our system and our expectations. Thanks again and thanks to all for the input!

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    Default Do I need to allow air into my small gravity flow tube system?

    I tap mostly reds too. On buckets they were really hit and miss. Some wouldn't give a drop. On 3/16 I make the reds produce and have about a third of the taps and a lot less work.
    first year 2012 50 taps late season made 2 1/2 gals.

    2013 2x6 homemade arch 180 taps. 20 Gals.

    2014 40 on 3/16 gravity 160 on buckets.

    http://omasranch.wix.com/omasmaple

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    An update and a thank you to the folks who provided advise. Through this site, our state CDL rep (WESTVIRGINIAMAPLER) sent me a note that he lived 5 miles from us. He came out to our bush and showed us how to run 3/16 line, tap with a proper bit, and many other helpful suggestions. I am happy to say my son (themoonlighttapper) and I completed our third run last night and we now have one run with 160' of drop from the top tree to the collection point and 2 runs with 60' of drop. Total of 65 taps, 59 on 3/16, however our tap holes on the first 40 or so trees are probably not the best for vacuum. Here's hoping for a good season, but certainly a much better season than we would have had without the help that came from this site. Expansion planned for next year with another 5 acres of unsearched trees further up the mountain.
    10 taps in 2015
    65 taps in 2016
    177 taps in for 2017
    new Homemade RO
    2' x 4' Hobby Evaporator

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