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    I am thinking that my arch firebox needs a little more depth. I am considering buying some 6" Channel iron and putting it around the top of the arch to raise the pans a little bit. In doing this I figured it would be easier to install my AOF too. I figure I will use blanket to insulate. Any thoughts/experience doing this? My other thought is it would be easy to re-tin and add an airtight front in the future.
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    I'd be interested in the answer to your question, myself. I'm building my first arch and was wondering about the optimum distance between the grate and the bottom of the pan(s). I'm using 6"deep restaurant pans.

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    from bottom of pan to grates in mine is about 18"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Lander Sugaring View Post
    from bottom of pan to grates in mine is about 18"
    Sounds good. Thanks!

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    Your gap from the bottom of the flues to the arch is going to increase as you add that 6 inch riser. Some pictures might help?
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    Getting about 18" under the syrup pan is good but you will then want to raise it under the flues if you have them. Under flues should only be about 1/4" to force the heat thru the flues. Then about 6-8" before the stack, go back down to about 6-8" deep for smoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maple flats View Post
    Getting about 18" under the syrup pan is good but you will then want to raise it under the flues if you have them. Under flues should only be about 1/4" to force the heat thru the flues. Then about 6-8" before the stack, go back down to about 6-8" deep for smoke.
    Right, so I was thinking about 2- 6' pieces of this channel to make new rails, with ends welded on to make sort of a frame that would essentially set on top of my existing arch. This would raise the syrup pan and the flue pan. Then I would need to elimante the new, extra air space under the flue pan - I guess I would probably use some sand covered with insulation, probably firebrick is a little overkill here (and expensive!).

    I will need to measure from my grates to front pan right now, I have the older style Small Brothers lighting arch, I am guessing that it is probably 12"-14". My doors will still be small, but the theory is to create some air space, right? The newer, taller arches aren't designed so you can cram a whole lot more wood in, they are designed for some air space, swirling of gasses, more complete combustion, etc. (?)
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    MY 2x6 is almost 9' long added a hot air box to preheat aof it's 18" deep and almost 3' tall I can put my hand 1/4" to stack and leave it. I still have some black smoke but need to adjust Aof/auf
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    125 on Sap Suckers
    Close to 475 High Vac
    400 gravity adding more
    leader 2x6
    home made preheater
    hoods
    1 7D749 for AOF
    New FLS Tsunami Arch
    4 membrane TR Industries RO 2HP 3 phase 601GPH 250 PSI
    PID Display for Arch Temp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Lander Sugaring View Post
    MY 2x6 is almost 9' long added a hot air box to preheat aof it's 18" deep and almost 3' tall I can put my hand 1/4" to stack and leave it. I still have some black smoke but need to adjust Aof/auf
    Flatlander do you have pics of this hot air box? What do you figure your gallons per hour of sap are on your rig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGR1093 View Post
    Flatlander do you have pics of this hot air box? What do you figure your gallons per hour of sap are on your rig?
    Try this link dig through the pics look for pics that around smoke stack
    https://picasaweb.google.com/1094220...832471/NewArch

    Link doesnt work let me fig out

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    Last edited by Flat Lander Sugaring; 11-23-2013 at 05:36 PM.
    Business Name
    Flat Lander Sugaring (who would think a guy from Az be making syrup)
    125 on Sap Suckers
    Close to 475 High Vac
    400 gravity adding more
    leader 2x6
    home made preheater
    hoods
    1 7D749 for AOF
    New FLS Tsunami Arch
    4 membrane TR Industries RO 2HP 3 phase 601GPH 250 PSI
    PID Display for Arch Temp.
    Chumlee of the trader

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