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    Default Evaporation rates

    After many years of using buffet pans I'm looking to upgrade to a real maple syrup flat pan. Can you remind me, is the evaporation rate still going to be determined by surface area? I'll be boiling with wood, over blocks w/ fire bricks. I could hit 8-9 gallons/hr on 5 buffet pans (24x12x4). What size pan should I get to stay around 8-10 gallons an hour? I would like to get a smaller pan but 5-6 gallons an hour is slower than I'd like.

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    Yes. But drop flue or raised flue will increase surface area. I would at least go with a divided pan and add a float box so you can go continuous flow. this changes every thing.
    Add an RO unit to increase your over all rate that you can process sap.
    2013 25 taps 2.5 gallons
    2014 60 taps 9.5 gallons
    2015 12 x 16 sugar shack 200 taps 1500' 5/16 lines gravity. Home made arch, 2 x 3 pan and 18" x 24" steam pan.
    2016 2 x 5 Smokey Lake hybrid pan. Custom steam hood and float box. Number of taps yet to be determined.
    2017 Made 27 gallons. Added 60 taps on 3/16 lines.
    2018 Adding more 3/16 lines. Made 55 gallons
    2019 Added 4 totes for sap storage. Big shack upgrades.

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    It depends on the arch, on whether the sap is preheated, whether you have blown air or just natural draft, how high the sap level is in the pan, and how efficient you are at firing. All that being said, you should expect in the range of 1 to 2 gallons per hour per square foot from a divided flat pan on a good arch running pretty efficiently with dry wood. On my Mason 2x3 with a pre-heater and AUF last year I got between 11 and 12 GPH. But another user here - Aaron Stack, just down the road from me, gets 10+GPH on a 20x30 flat pan. That's 2.4 GPH! I dunno how he does it, but I guess it can be done with a flat pan!

    Gabe
    2016: Homemade arch from old wood stove; 2 steam tray pans; 6 taps; 1.1 gal
    2017: Same setup. 15 taps; 4.5 gal
    2018: Same setup. Limited time. 12 taps and short season; 2.2 gal
    2019: Very limited time. 7 taps and a short season; 1.8 gals
    2020: New Mason 2x3 XL halfway through season; 9 taps 2 gals
    2021: Same 2x3, 18 taps, 4.5 gals
    2022: 23 taps, 5.9 gals
    2023: 23 taps. Added AUF, 13.2 gals
    2024: 17 taps, 5.3 gals
    All on buckets

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    Aaron probably runs that pan at no more than an inch and a half and keeps a close eye on it. He may also use a continuous feed system.
    2004 - 2012 2x3 flat pan 25 to 60 taps
    2012 2x3 new divided pan w/draw off 55 taps
    2018 - didn't boil surgery - bought new evaporator
    2019 new SML 2x4 raised flue high output evap. 65 taps
    made 17 gal. syrup
    2020 - only put out 53 taps - made 16.25 ga.l syrup
    2021 - Didn't work out
    2022 - 25 taps on bags / 8 taps on 3/16's line - late start

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    Since you’re on blocks, flue pans and the like are probably out. If you can swing a 2’x4’ divided pan you could do well and that might fit the layout of the block arch you have set up, but it’s tough to pull off the fire. As the previous folks have said a 20 x 30 is a really convenient and workable size. If there is anyway to add a small blower your rate will increase.

    Choose a pan size that would work with a conventional evaporator for when you want to upgrade that aspect of the operation.

    Don’t discount the possibility of a small RO, like the RO bucket or the ones d.roseum describes on his web site. (https://m.youtube.com/@RoseumMapleSyrup). A small one will push at least 1/2 the water out of your sap which reduces your boiling time.
    Sugaring since 2000.
    2022 - 113 taps on tubing and gravity. Homemade wood fired evaporator and homemade RO.
    2023 - 120 taps on 5/16 and gravity added a float to the pan. built a new 5x400gpd RO. Still use the old one too!
    2024 - 125 taps still on 5/16 tubing and gravity, two home made ROs.

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