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    Fun exercise. Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup is not a great stat by itself as it needs Sugar % of sap collected to give context. I added a few more items below.

    Number of taps:210
    Vacuum (Y/N):3/16 on Shurflo
    RO (Y/N/type)Deer Run 250
    Arch size:2x6
    Pan Type:Raised flue
    Fuel Type / amount used:2 face cords
    Sap collected in gallons:6550
    Syrup produced in gallons:123
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup: 53

    Other stats I collect in a year:
    Average sugar % in sap collected: 1.8%
    Total water removed by RO: 5300
    Total kitchen time (this includes RO running, setup, boiling, filtering, bottling, and cleanup): 109 hours (typically myself plus 2 other helpers)
    Camp Wokanda
    Peoria Park District

    2023 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, sap storage shack w/ 1100 gallon tank - 123 gallons
    2022 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, homemade vac filter & water jacket canner - 104 gallons
    2021 - 215 on 3/16 shurflo, added 2nd membrane to RO - 78 gallons
    2020 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, upgraded hp pump on RO - 66 gallons
    2019 - 150 on 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 on 3/16 shurflo, 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons

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    Number of taps: 100
    Vacuum (Y/N): N
    RO (Y/N/type) N
    Arch size: 2X4
    Pan Type: drop flue
    Fuel Type / amount used: wood, approximately 1 3/4 cord
    Sap collected in gallons: 1487
    Syrup produced in gallons: 35
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup: 42

    This was our 6th year making syrup and by far our best year. We have been averaging 19 gallons per season and this year we had 19 gallons of syrup made in February! I'll be honest, I don't think I ever want to make 35 gallons again unless I add an RO. It was a lot of work and a lot of firewood, but also a lot of fun too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mol1jb View Post
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup is not a great stat by itself as it needs Sugar % of sap collected to give context.
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    Average sugar % in sap collected: 1.8%
    This can be a tricky one. SSC% alone is not always terribly informative. Volume weighted SSC is much better.

    Example...3 runs to keep it simple.

    Run 1 2% 100 gal
    Run 2 1.5% 10 gal
    Run 3 1.0% 10 gal

    A regular average would give you an "average" SSC of 1.5%. However, clearly you had much more sap closer to 2%. In order to get the "average" SSC of ALL of the sap, with each amount of sap represented equally, you need to first multiply the SSC by the volume of sap collected that day. Then you add up each of the totals of SSC x sap volume per day, then divide that by the total sap volume collected over the season.

    __________________________DAY 1______DAY 2____DAY 3_____SEASON___________
    So the math comes out to be (2.0 x 100)+(1.5 x 10)+(1.0 x 10) = 225 / 120 gal = 1.875%.

    Basically, you're doing the same math in a much simpler way by dividing the number of gallons of sap collected over the season by the number of gallons of syrup made over the season (but that also has its own problems noted below). Then you can back calculate the SSC by using the Revised Jones Rule of 88.2. In your case, you'd divide 6550 (gallons of sap) by 53 (gallons of syrup) to get the 53 gal sap/gal syrup, then divide 88.2 (assuming you're finishing at 66.9 Brix) by 53 to get your weighted avg SSC of 1.7 Brix. Of course, this also disregards any losses of syrup (shrinkage, spillage, etc.) you had during the season, which might be small or might be large depending upon how your season went.

    Sorry to muck things up and make them more complicated than perhaps everyone wanted to think about, but the bottom line is that a VOLUME WEIGHTED average is a far better indicator of SSC over the season than a simple straight mathematical average. In general however, the larger the sample size (the more SSC measurements you have during a season), the closer those two values tend to become.

    Another couple of really useful things for people to report (if they have it) is the average tree size and/or the average density (# taps/acre). Tree size has a rather sizeable influence on sap yield. I'd also toss in avg vacuum and spout/drop sanitation approach due to their strong impacts on production, but that's probably asking too much.

    Now back to your regular MapleTrader.com programming....
    Last edited by DrTimPerkins; 04-06-2023 at 02:10 PM.
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    Thanks Dr. Perkins. That is quite interesting and I had not thought about it that way. I usually just do the average of 10-12 samples throughout the season, taken at the collection tank before boiling the sap, then average them. Your way would be much more accurate.
    Camp Wokanda
    Peoria Park District

    2023 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, sap storage shack w/ 1100 gallon tank - 123 gallons
    2022 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, homemade vac filter & water jacket canner - 104 gallons
    2021 - 215 on 3/16 shurflo, added 2nd membrane to RO - 78 gallons
    2020 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, upgraded hp pump on RO - 66 gallons
    2019 - 150 on 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 on 3/16 shurflo, 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons

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    Number of taps: 210
    Vacuum (Y/N):Guzzler(56)Shurflo(132) Buckets(22)
    RO (Y/N/type)CDL hobby 250
    Arch size:2x6
    Pan Type:Flat
    Fuel Type / amount used: Dry pine/hemlock - 2.5 cord
    Sap collected in gallons:2650
    Syrup produced in gallons:45
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup:59
    6th season solo sugar maker in a young sugar bush of mostly red maples
    320 taps
    2x6 self built arch, Flat pans w/ dividers
    New 12x16 sugar house
    CDL hobby 250 RO

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    Number of taps:30
    Vacuum (Y/N)N
    RO (Y/N/type)N
    Arch size:2x4
    Pan Type:flat
    Fuel Type / amount used:
    Sap collected in gallons:404
    Syrup produced in gallons:10.125
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup:40:1
    Last edited by mdm1; 04-14-2023 at 01:14 PM.

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    Number of taps:165
    Vacuum (Y/N)N
    RO (Y/N/type) yes - CDL Nano 3 membrane
    Arch size:18 x 36 Thor hobby evaporator
    Pan Type:drop flue
    Fuel Type / amount used: wood - 1 1/2 face cord
    Sap collected in gallons: 3840 Litres / 1014.5 US Gallons
    Syrup produced in gallons: 101 Litres / 26.7 US Gallons
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup:38:1
    2018. First year 50 taps made 21 litres
    2019. 78 taps - 38 litres
    2020. 105 taps - 74 litres
    2021. 90 taps - 29 litres
    2022. 100 taps - 47 litres
    2023. 165 Taps - 101 litres

    18x36 Thor hobby evaporator
    CDL Nano RO
    8x12 Sugar Shack

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    Number of taps: 190
    Vacuum (Y/N): Y
    RO (Y/N/type) Y Lapierre 250 GPH
    Arch size: 24" x 48"
    Pan Type: Flue pan 30" & flat pan 18"
    Fuel Type / amount used: stove oil / 107 usGall
    Sap collected in gallons: 2750 usGal
    Syrup produced in gallons: 74 usGal
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup: 37 usGal

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    Number of taps: 495, mostly 3/16 on steep hills
    Vacuum (Y/N):gas powered guzzler and a couple of shurflo's
    RO (Y/N/type) Home made 4x4x40 3 Hp Procon 660
    Arch size: 2x6
    Pan Type: Raised flue AOF/AUF
    Fuel Type / Amount used: wood, not very much, only fire about 12-15 min with AOF - stack 850-900F
    Sap collected in gallons: 3600 gal
    Syrup produced in gallons: 37.5
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup: 95

    This was out shortest season, virtually no winter, sap started out at 1% and there wasn't much of it. Tapped 22 Jan, last boil 14 Feb. Sugarin in the south is TOUGH. 38.5N
    '12 15 jugs - Steam pans
    '17 125 3/16 - 18" x 72" drop flue on homemade arch
    '18 240 3/16 - Deer Run 125
    '19 450 3/16 - Converted RO to electric/added a membrane
    '20 600 3/16 - Maple Pro 2x6 Raised Flue, added AOF/AUF
    '21 570 3/16 - Built steam hood, Smoky Lake filter press
    '22 800 3/16 - Upgraded RO to 4 4x40
    '23 500 3/16 - Re-plumbed RO, new "Guzzler"
    '24 500 3/16 - Steam Away, DIY 8x40 RO

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    For 2024:

    Number of taps: 118
    Vacuum (Y/N): 5/16 on gravity, measured 21 psi vacuum at peak flow on the best day of the season. Most other good days were 10-12.
    RO (Y/N/type) homemade 5x400gpd and a 4x100gpd
    Arch Size: 2x4
    Pan Type: flat divided
    Fuel Type / amount used: wood 2 face cords
    Sap collected in gallons: 1725
    Syrup produced in gallons: 25
    Gallons of sap per gallons of syrup:69
    Taps: polycarbonate arch-barb spout from maple valley
    Sugaring since 2000.
    2022 - 113 taps on tubing and gravity. Homemade evaporator and RO.
    2023 - 120 taps on 5/16 and gravity added a float to the pan an built a new 5x400gpd RO

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