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    The hose is food safe for sure, and the bilge pump is made of food safe plastic. I used to fixate on food safe pumps, but then I discovered that a number of people on the site use a number of transfer pumps, both large and small, that are not officially food safe.

    The brand new bilge pump type, is being used by others on this site with no issues.

    None of my syrup will end up on store shelves, however my grandkids will be eating it and I trust that the syrup will be just fine.

    All of my collection barrels, pails and tanks are all officially food safe, everything from the pan onwards is stainless steel and I wash much of it, on a daily basis.
    Last edited by Swingpure; 11-05-2022 at 10:56 AM.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swingpure;405667 [COLOR=#ff0000
    .. I used to fixate on food safe pumps, but then I discovered that a number of people on the site use a number of transfer pumps, both large and small, that are not officially food safe...[/COLOR]
    That doesn't make it right.
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    I made myself some drill bit depth stops today out of dowel. I am not sure how well they will stand up, so I made a few.

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/092W...FEva-7rDIHJpVw

    I also received some maple related Amazon deliveries today, including a digital thermometer, because the one last year was done at the end of the season and an in-line on/off switch with quick connect ends.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swingpure View Post
    I used to fixate on food safe pumps, but then I discovered that a number of people on the site use a number of transfer pumps, both large and small, that are not officially food safe.
    If I am hearing you correctly...everything "upstream" of the evaporator and everything "downstream" is all food safe. By your own admission you used to "fixate" on food safe pumps. But because other guys are using cheap Chinese Harbor Freight pumps of questionable pedigree that are not food safe, you're OK also using them?

    Just my 2 cents, do your grandkids a favor and find a food safe pump. They are easy to find and really not that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swingpure View Post
    I made myself some drill bit depth stops today out of dowel. I am not sure how well they will stand up, so I made a few.
    You could also use some tubing instead of the dowel.

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    Until this day, what I didn't know, was that there WERE such a thing as food safe pumps (excluding sump pumps). Anyone got an example? I procured stainless water transfer pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoerBoel View Post
    You could also use some tubing instead of the dowel.
    Lol, I tried finding friends that had old 5/16 tubing, just a couple of inches of it and no luck. You can’t buy just a couple of inches, and it was $10 to buy a small roll of it. I may end up doing that if the dowel does not work. I had the dowel on hand.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigschuss View Post
    If I am hearing you correctly...everything "upstream" of the evaporator and everything "downstream" is all food safe. By your own admission you used to "fixate" on food safe pumps. But because other guys are using cheap Chinese Harbor Freight pumps of questionable pedigree that are not food safe, you're OK also using them?

    Just my 2 cents, do your grandkids a favor and find a food safe pump. They are easy to find and really not that much.
    My first season (last year), I was going to buy a shurflo food grade pump, but for Christmas, I was given as a present a different pump that was not officially food grade. It was a generous gift. I spent time researching all of the components that the sap would touch and they were all food grade. I used it last season with no issues, but it was slow.

    I discovered that a friend who has been making syrup for many years and at a greater volume than me had been using a sump pump to transfer his sap. It does it dry quickly. The components that will touch the sap are all stainless steel. He has used it for years with no issues. It is not officially food grade.

    The bilge pump that started this conversation was also recommended to me. Everything that the sap is food grade plastic and the sap would race through this pump. The people that have used it have had no issues with it.

    I am a by the book kind of guy in almost everything I do, so not having a food grade pump is different for me, but I do trust the people that have recommended them to me.

    Other than Shurflo pumps what other choices are there?
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Andy VT started another thread specifically on the food grade pump issue and I think that is a good place to discuss that particular topic and I will be gladly discuss and learn on that thread.

    Earlier this year I lost my tension hooks and could not find them and later with a new pair I lost them, but eventually found them in the leaf cover just a few feet away from where I thought imhad placed them. Today a month or so later I went with a leaf blower trying to find the original pair. I started off where I thought I might have left them and no luck, I then blew leaves where I walked and still no luck. I will eventually find them, but it might not be until next summer.

    After I temporarily lost the second temporary tension hooks, I tied bright orange and yellow construction ribbons/tape to it so it would stand out in the leaf litter. I used different colours for each end of the tension hook to make it easy to grab the end you want to hook up first.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    I heard on the weather report today that you may be expecting some snow in the next several days once it leaves the Dakotas. Sounds like you may get a significant amount too, good luck.
    2004 - 2012 2x3 flat pan 25 to 60 taps
    2012 2x3 new divided pan w/draw off 55 taps
    2018 - didn't boil surgery - bought new evaporator
    2019 new SML 2x4 raised flue high output evap. 65 taps
    made 17 gal. syrup
    2020 - only put out 53 taps - made 16.25 ga.l syrup
    2021 - Didn't work out
    2022 - 25 taps on bags / 8 taps on 3/16's line - late start

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