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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Walls View Post
    Update.
    That filter rig processed over 470 litres of syrup last year. Works like a charm. Just had a couple of buddies build them for themselves and I have built another for a friend. Everything has gone up in price. Almost 300$CAD now.
    Minor modifications. I got rid of the silicon gasket. Not required. I use a sheet of Orlan now between the pots which acts as the final stage in the filter and seals between the pots. I use 2 complete sets of 5 peel away filters. Always have a spare clean and ready. The bottom one is Orlan and is cut in a circle because it does not get removed. The next 5 are the peel away shape. Like a frying pan with the handle. For those I use synthetic felt from Fabricland. I suppose I could use the pre filters for that but the synfelt works well and is cheap and easy to clean.
    I reuse my filters all season long. I wash them by back flushing them in warm water with the spray thingy in the sink. I then do a quick wash with no soap in the washing machine between each use. Do not dry. I could probably pack them away and use them the following year but I made a fresh set for this year. Maybe I could have kept a set and seen if there was any difference in clarity. Realistically, the filters cost about 5 dollars a set so not cost prohibitive.
    I have used with DE slurry and without. Not really any difference.
    I get sheets of Orlan from CDL. Felt from a fabric store.

    Just my observations. Mileage (kilometerage?) may vary.
    I am a disciple of your first build, it works great, fast and crystal clear syrup. I still use the silicone baking sheet as the gasket and they use a series of CDL felt and prefilters in the top pot. Last year I never had to remove any of them during the filtering process as all the syrup was easily sucked down. This year for the first time after my last boil I had a ton of nitre and they did get a little plugged and I used a tool to pull off the prefilters.

    One thing I do, is when I have filtered all of my syrup, I have a 5 gallon bucket of clean water that I throw all of the filters in and let them soak, while I am immediately switching to bottling while the syrup is still hot. Later I take them out of the water, Some of the nitre is removed or dissolved and then I wash them in the sink with the sprayer thingy or sometimes outside use the hose sprayer which is more powerful.

    I will have to look into the synthetic felt material at fabricland. Is that pretty simple that you ask for it and there is only one kind to buy?
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Yes. Synthetic felt is common. Comes in lots of colours. I get white/not dyed.

    Had a member complain to me that he built a vacuum filter and his syrup still had sugar sands. We discussed everything to figure it out. Turns out it was the process not the build. He built and filtered exactly as described. Used Orlan x3 and pre filter papers. Worked great. We got it figured out.

    Problem was, once the syrup was filtered he put it on the stove to bottle. He brought it up to the boil and then bottled. It's recommended to bottle above 180. I suggest 200f. Enough heat inertia to kill anything in the bottle and not spoil. If the syrup comes up to the boil, or goes .1F above your finished product temp, then more sands will precipitate out of the syrup in the filter pot. The will cause sands in the syrup.
    There is science behind it. Has to do with mineral super saturation points. Just know, do not bring finished and filtered syrup back up to the boil before bottling. Get up to 200f and yer good..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Walls View Post
    Yes. Synthetic felt is common. Comes in lots of colours. I get white/not dyed.

    Had a member complain to me that he built a vacuum filter and his syrup still had sugar sands. We discussed everything to figure it out. Turns out it was the process not the build. He built and filtered exactly as described. Used Orlan x3 and pre filter papers. Worked great. We got it figured out.

    Problem was, once the syrup was filtered he put it on the stove to bottle. He brought it up to the boil and then bottled. It's recommended to bottle above 180. I suggest 200f. Enough heat inertia to kill anything in the bottle and not spoil. If the syrup comes up to the boil, or goes .1F above your finished product temp, then more sands will precipitate out of the syrup in the filter pot. The will cause sands in the syrup.
    There is science behind it. Has to do with mineral super saturation points. Just know, do not bring finished and filtered syrup back up to the boil before bottling. Get up to 200f and yer good..
    200F is TOO Hot. Anything over 192F causes niter to start coming out of the syrup and a need to refilter.
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    200f is too hot? Good to know. I have been fed bad information from an old-timer and will adjust. Thank you.
    I suppose it's a balance between getting it hot enough to sterilize the bottles but not too hot to cause more sands. Any suggestions? I pre heat my new bottles over steam from the evaporator before filling.

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    I built it. I love it.
    This feels like when I built my first RO, or added a blower to my evaporator....it’s not just a step up from cone filters, it’s next level.
    Thanks 4Walls!
    2x6 Waterloo pan on an antique Piette & Fils arch

    2019 - 60 buckets, 85L of syrup, 2x4 pan outside
    2020 - 100 buckets, 105L of syrup, 2x6 flat pan in a Redi Rack Shack
    2021 - 137 buckets, 110L of syrup and a homemade RO (why didn't I do this sooner?)
    2022 - 154 buckets, 201L of syrup
    2023 - 166 buckets, 343L of syrup, cold sap float box, walking beam sap trailer, 4Walls vacuum filter

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    In my opinion, 200F is not too hot, but the 200F should come before the reheat for bottling.
    I often filter at 205-210F, then I bring it back up to 185-187, but never over 190. Reheating to over 200F creates more niter, even 195 can create more niter (sugar sand). Once you filter, do not heat it back into the sugar sand zone (any temperature 195 or above.
    While on initial filtering I heat to 205-210F, if it gets packed in a SS barrel and seals properly, I then only heat it to 175 max and filter again, then I heat it to the 185-187F and bottle. I hold it in that range using my water jacketed bottler.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    I have never had a niter problem heating to 200 degrees. It all depends on your syrup and when during the season it is made.
    First introduced to making maple syrup in 1969
    Making syrup every year since 1979
    3 x 10 oil fired
    Revolution syrup and max flue pan
    Almost 1300 taps total with 900 on high vacuum
    Bought first Marcland drawoff in 1997, still going strong.

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