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  1. #11
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    Today turned out to be a nice day, so after moving around some wood for the evaporator, I decided to shovel out around the evaporator. The day was still nice at the completion of that, so I started to assemble my shelter around the evaporator.

    It all pieced together properly, but two things made me worry about the steam coming out. In the summer when I built it, my wife did not, like how big it looked. I shortened the legs of the walls, but still felt it would be tall enough. After removing it and later in the summer, I started to fill in around the evaporator so that I would have level ground to walk on. Between shortening the legs and adding material, the one wall was now quite short. If the wind pushes the steam that direction it will challenging to find it’s way out.

    I will figure out a way around it, but that right way has not come to me quite yet.

    In the pictures after I shoveled it out, I did not remove all the snow, because the roof wasn’t going on today and fresh snow will fall tonight and tomorrow and most days this week.

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0120...C1lXdw7Rl3mzHA

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0e3U...uPqZhquRT5yKTw

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0c4Y...UjUTrQFYySNtGA
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    If I have a layer of plywood below the metal roof immediately above the evaporator,, would the steam still form droplets and drip almost as much as the metal roof? There would not be any continuous airspace between the metal roof and the plywood.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swingpure View Post
    That is a good idea, I did not think of that. My hope is that the openings at the top of all three walls, will be enough to let the steam out. I might also be able to play with the metal roof panel design to allow for some center ones to be removed on a nice day. (Not sure yet what I will do for the front wall)

    It will cost me some valuable wood, but it will be a good test for the fifth pan to see if the changes to the ramp and the baffles after the fourth test result in the fifth pan coming to a real boil.
    The gaps may be enough to let steam out BUT you will get condensation on the underside of the roof. That condensation will run down rafters and drip off at some point. Your challenge will be making sure that point(s) are not over the evaporator! It may also get very steamy inside making visibility an issue. We have a 2x6 hobby evaporator operated in a three sided shed and it's sometimes difficult to see pan levels!
    2023 - 130 taps, 90L from 4,000L as of mid March
    2021 - 84 taps, 50L from 2100L
    2020 - 100 taps on buckets, 21L syrup from 2700L so far (FEB 26-Mar 13) and then the pandemic hit! End of our season!
    2019 - 62 taps on buckets, 95L syrop from 3215L sap
    2018 - 62 taps, collecting by hand, 90L syrop from 3200L sap
    2017 - Lapierre Waterloo Small mini pro with 40 taps
    2014 - 2016 40 taps making one or two batches on a 2x6 flat pan over an open arch as it would have been done in 1900

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swingpure View Post
    If I have a layer of plywood below the metal roof immediately above the evaporator,, would the steam still form droplets and drip almost as much as the metal roof? There would not be any continuous airspace between the metal roof and the plywood.
    The plywood will certainly help since it will be 'warmer' than the steel and will not condense as easily.
    2021 - Year one. 15 taps using 5/16" and drop tube into buckets. Homemade barrel evaporator with 2 steam trays. 4.7L syrup.
    2022. 32 taps. Added AUF.
    2023. 51 taps. Ditched the steam pans for an 18x22 flat pan.
    2024. 56 taps. Built a proper evaporator to fit the 18x22 flat pan and 1 steam pan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCPP View Post
    The gaps may be enough to let steam out BUT you will get condensation on the underside of the roof. That condensation will run down rafters and drip off at some point. Your challenge will be making sure that point(s) are not over the evaporator! It may also get very steamy inside making visibility an issue. We have a 2x6 hobby evaporator operated in a three sided shed and it's sometimes difficult to see pan levels!
    Thanks

    I had a chance to think about it overnight. I superimposed a picture from last fall onto one from yesterday, to help me visualize it.

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/04bd...wQFTJC2g8QRoUA

    I have to raise the structure the 1 foot, I removed last fall. I will only put up a permanent side wall up to the height of the evaporator, any other side walls will be removable.

    Originally this structure was just meant to be a shelter to keep the rain and snow off the pans and maybe a little of a windbreak. A better structure will be built next fall. I will put plywood directly above the evaporator. With the exception of the metal roof it has been made from free repurposed wood.

    The most challenging day will be a day will no real wind.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCPP View Post
    Your challenge will be making sure that point(s) are not over the evaporator!
    Or your head...in my experience the drip is right near the drawoff, making it hard to avoid.
    Dr. Tim Perkins
    UVM Proctor Maple Research Ctr
    http://www.uvm.edu/~pmrc
    https://mapleresearch.org
    Timothy.Perkins@uvm.edu

  7. #17
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    I took the shelter partially apart and raised the low end a foot. It is tall enough for me to walk under it without hitting my head. I lost some of the roof slope, which may come back to bite me.

    I added some plywood to the sides. The open areas on the sides will remain open when I am boiling. I have floor to ceiling walls at the front of the shelter as my RO will go somewhere there. The diagonal supports are temporary until I get longer ones tomorrow.

    After I put the metal roof on, I will add a plywood ceiling over all of the evaporating area. Lessons learned with this shelter this season will, help me designed my sugar shack this summer.

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/059K...WsvfcskV959zSw

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    The weather today was barely above freezing, but felt springlike. But lots of cold weather in the forecast and nothing in the 14 day forecast to indicate tapping will start soon, but sometime in a month’s time we will!
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    In 2020, my friend near Parry Sound started tapping on February 23rd. Right now the 14 day forecast does not make that a possibility, but if days 11-14 warm up a little, you never know.

    Today I put the metal roof on my shelter. Tomorrow I will put on the plywood ceiling, which will have an airspace between the plywood and the metal roof. Depending on the snow, I may also attach my stove pipe. I added another 3 feet to it and the rain cap. It will be 15’ high.

    Looked at a few more trees today, I will only add one more to the count, but will also not double tap some trees. So 111 taps, 75 on lines and 36 on buckets.

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    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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    With the weather forecasted for this weekend it doesn't seem like we are close to tapping at all.

    The shelter is looking good.

    I made myself a poor man's hood this week with a leftover roll of flat stock flashing material. I have a 200 cfm inline fan to exhaust the steam buildup in the hood. That should be coming in soon. Then a test boil with the hood to see how the steam builds up in the shack.
    2021 - Year one. 15 taps using 5/16" and drop tube into buckets. Homemade barrel evaporator with 2 steam trays. 4.7L syrup.
    2022. 32 taps. Added AUF.
    2023. 51 taps. Ditched the steam pans for an 18x22 flat pan.
    2024. 56 taps. Built a proper evaporator to fit the 18x22 flat pan and 1 steam pan.

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    Temps just above freezing today with wet snow and light rain. -25° C (-13°F) on the weekend. Long range forecast it is getting warmer, as would be expected, but no real trends above freezing, but that forecast can change.

    Today I added the plywood ceiling with the air gap between the plywood and the metal roof. I also added some additional plywood sides to help keep the snow out and I added the smokestack. Previously I said it was 15’ tall, but it is only 12’ tall, but it looks taller. This summer when I did my tests, it was only 9’ tall, so with the additional 3’ and colder temps than the heat wave in the summer, I should have excellent draft.

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    Last edited by Swingpure; 02-11-2022 at 05:45 PM.
    2022 - 5 pan block arch - 109 taps, 73 on 3/16 lines, 36 on drops into 5 gallon pails.
    930 gallons boiled, 109 L (28.8 gals) of delicious syrup made.
    DYI Vacuum Filter
    2023 - 170 taps, mostly on lines, 1153 gallons boiled, 130 L (34.34 gals) of delicious syrup made, on a 2x4 divided pan and base stack, 8” pipe, on a block arch that boiled at a rate of 13 gallons per hour.
    2024 - made 48 L, December to March, primarily over two fire bowls.

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