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    Just an FYI, I upgraded from a Honda WX10 pump to the bigger WB20. Ready for my first pump tonight as I've got two full totes and this pump leaked so bad it wouldn't push sap up the hill to my tanks at the sugar shack. Going to take it apart and try to seal it tomorrow. Will post how that works out tomorrow.
    1980 - 6 taps, stone fire pit, drain pan evaporator, 1 pint of syrup
    2016 - 55 taps on 3/16 and gravity, new sugar shack, 2x3 Mason XL, 16 gallons of syrup
    2017 - 170 taps on 3/16, 2x4 Mason XL, NextGen RO. 50 gallons of syrup
    2018 - 250+ taps on gravity and buckets, 2x5 Smokey Lake arch and Beaverland pan.
    2019 - 250+ taps on gravity. A few buckets. 35 gallons of syrup.
    2020 - 300+ taps on gravity. 50 gallons of syrup.
    2021 - 280 taps on gravity and 40 buckets. 35 gallons of syrup.

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    Where were the leaks, from the pump housing or the connections? I'm not familiar with that pump, but I have a WX15 and never had any leaks, except the time I left the fill plug out, it gets we in a hurry then.
    Last edited by maple flats; 02-25-2021 at 07:15 PM.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maple flats View Post
    Where were the leaks, from the pump housing or the connections?
    Leaking from the housing. Looking at a parts diagram there's an o-ring in there. Will pull it apart tomorrow and see what I find.
    1980 - 6 taps, stone fire pit, drain pan evaporator, 1 pint of syrup
    2016 - 55 taps on 3/16 and gravity, new sugar shack, 2x3 Mason XL, 16 gallons of syrup
    2017 - 170 taps on 3/16, 2x4 Mason XL, NextGen RO. 50 gallons of syrup
    2018 - 250+ taps on gravity and buckets, 2x5 Smokey Lake arch and Beaverland pan.
    2019 - 250+ taps on gravity. A few buckets. 35 gallons of syrup.
    2020 - 300+ taps on gravity. 50 gallons of syrup.
    2021 - 280 taps on gravity and 40 buckets. 35 gallons of syrup.

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    We run a WH15 and WH20 pump. Both are their high pressure pump. There is an o-ring on the inside of the pump housing cover. We take our housing apart each year to make sure it is clean. Every 2 years we replace the o-ring. The WH15 is going on 5 years. The WH20 is starting it's second year. There is a huge difference between the two pumps. If we knew we could have ordered the CDL SS tank with a 2" outlet we would have done that and bought a WH20 in place of the WH15.

    Mike
    Tapping since 1985 (four generations back to early to mid 1900s). 200-250 taps on buckets and then tubing in the mid 90s. 2013- 275 taps w/sap puller 25 gal. 2014-295 taps w/sap puller 55 ga. (re-tapped to vacuum theory) 2015-330 taps full vac. 65 gal, 2016-400 taps 105 gal, 2017-400 taps 95 gal. 2018-additional 800' mainline and maybe 400 new taps for a total near 800 taps. 2x6 Leader WSE (last year on it) supported by a 250 gph RO.

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    Sounds to me like it needs rebuilt. main seals and all.
    125-150 taps
    Smokey Lakes Full pint Hybrid pan
    Modified half pint arch
    Air over fire
    All 3/16 tubing
    Southern Ohio

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye gold View Post
    Sounds to me like it needs rebuilt. main seals and all.
    It's brand new.

    So I took it apart and put a little gasket maker around the O ring and it's 99% better. Pretty disappointing I have to take a brand new pump apart and not expected from a Honda product. Oh well.
    1980 - 6 taps, stone fire pit, drain pan evaporator, 1 pint of syrup
    2016 - 55 taps on 3/16 and gravity, new sugar shack, 2x3 Mason XL, 16 gallons of syrup
    2017 - 170 taps on 3/16, 2x4 Mason XL, NextGen RO. 50 gallons of syrup
    2018 - 250+ taps on gravity and buckets, 2x5 Smokey Lake arch and Beaverland pan.
    2019 - 250+ taps on gravity. A few buckets. 35 gallons of syrup.
    2020 - 300+ taps on gravity. 50 gallons of syrup.
    2021 - 280 taps on gravity and 40 buckets. 35 gallons of syrup.

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    Maybe it was made on a Monday morning or a Friday afternoon.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Interesting. I bought my 2nd wb20 this year and it leaks as well. My first I have had for 10 years maybe? Not positive but I have never had many issues. First time I fired the new one up this year it squirted out the drum housing. I tried tightening the bolts, seemed to help but not stop it altogether. Never noticed it till I lugged it down the steep sink hole 110+ feet. It will leak a bit till the end of season now but disappointing for anhonda.

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    I'd complain to whoever you bought it from and if no satisfaction there complain to Honda.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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