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    Default Amount of sap storage.

    How much sap storage so most operation feel they need? The assumption here is that sap is processed within 24 hrs. Gallon of storage per tap?
    3500 taps, vacuum.

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    Here is data from last season, although I don't know about exactly 24 hours, it was likely longer:

    I filled my 3,000 gal tank last year on 1,150 taps (2.6 gal/tap).

    Using that math you should have an 8,000 gallon tank.
    Ken & Sherry
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    I think it's important to note whether or not vacuum is being used. As I can see in your signature that you are, I would plan on a minimum of 2 gallons of sap per day. Like Ken eluded to, 2.5-2.6 is definitely not uncommon. Hence why the old traditional buckets had the capacity that they did, because on those "heavy run" days the sap would be at the brim but as many of us have seen, you can even have buckets overflowing even on a 24-hour gathering schedule.
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    2019 - First season ever
    -Goal: 3 gallons
    -Season Total: 7.5 gallons - pulled taps after running out of firewood and time
    2020
    Built 2'x8' Oil Fired with Thor drop flue pans
    -Goal: 20 gallons
    -Season Total: 55 gallons

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    Almost all of my taps are on gravity and I plan for 2 gallons per tap storage capacity. If I was on high vacuum I would double that just to be safe.
    First introduced to making maple syrup in 1969
    Making syrup every year since 1979
    3 x 10 oil fired
    Revolution syrup and max flue pan
    Almost 1300 taps total with 900 on high vacuum
    Bought first Marcland drawoff in 1997, still going strong.

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    I'm increasing tap count this year from the 1150 last year to around 1750 for this season, and on the same tank storage. I went from a comfortable storage capacity to a more aggressive approach. I expect to run an occasional preboil RO cycle to squeeze the raw sap down to make room. I also have a woods tank under my mechanical releaser for some extra, plus my 2000 gal permeate tank. Bottom line is more effort, coordination, and plumbing.

    BTW - I'm on high vacuum.
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    Ken & Sherry
    Williston, VT
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    1,500 taps on high vacuum, Electric Releaser & CDL Sap Lifter
    Wood-Fired Leader 30"x10' Vortex Arch & Max Raised Flue with Rev Syrup Pan & CDL1200 RO
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    Minimum 2x tap count for a bulk tank at the shack. Might need more depending on what you have for storage in the woods.
    305 taps on 2 Shurflo's, 31 taps on 3/16" and 229 taps on gravity. 565 in all
    Mountain Maple S3 controller for 145 of the vacuum taps
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    I have 5770 gallons on 3300 taps. I am slowly working on increasing my storage because I am at the mercy of my buyers capacity as well.
    Remember to keep on ticking while the sap is dripping.
    2016- 50 buckets. Made 4 gallons.
    2022- 3750 taps + Smartrek! Made 1300 gallons.
    2023- 3750 taps after removing a pump house and connected two woods. Made 800 gallons.

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    On my current 400 taps, I have 3 sap tanks, a 415, a 545 and a 300, if I run towards full, I also have 4 IBC totes at 275 ea, cleaned and ready to use. Part of my excess is because I also accept sap on shares and I keep that separate from my sap. When I take in sap, it is often 275 gal at a time. That producer boils his own on the rest he may have. I also process daily as soon as I have enough sap, so I'm reducing my stored sap by about 250 gal/hr.
    Even with all of that I've had all of my 3 SS tanks full at the same time, but I've never needed the IBC totes since I could boil all day.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    About 2 gallons per tap on gravity systems maybe more on vacuum.
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    Chris
    Casbohm Maple and Honey
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    When I expanded in 2014 and added a remote woods with 2,100 more taps, I ordered a sap tank that gave me 1.8 gal per tap storage, 3859 gal. I should have gone bigger for that once a season sap flood. In 2016,I had finished emptying the 3859 gal sap tank at about 4:00PM. When I went to haul out sap the next morning at 6:00 AM, just 14 hours later, the tank was overflowing. 1.8 gal per tap in 14 hours. Plus there was no way to figure how much sap spilled onto the floor. Two days later the tank filled overnight again and overflowed. After that, if the sap is gushing out of the trees late in the after noon, I solved the over flow problem by hauling one or two 700 gal tank loads back the 4.8 miles to the sugar house when I am done boiling at 10:00 or 11:00 PM. Hindsight is always great. If had known this in 2014, I could have gone to either a 5789 gal tank with 2.75 gpt for an extra $1843.00 or a 4824 gal tank with 2.3 gpt for another $924.00. The extra cost to now have the correct size tank would not have been that bad considering I put $67,000. into the new woods clearing, tubing, labor, bigger RO, vacuum, a 3,859 tank and 3-725 gal tanks at the sugar house and all the other associated costs. Go bigger than 2 gal per tap storage.

    Joe
    2004- 470 taps on gravity and buckets
    2006- 590 taps on gravity and buckets 300 gph RO
    2009- 845 taps on vacuum no buckets, 600 gph RO
    2010- 925 taps on vacuum new 2 stage vacuum pump
    2014- 3045 taps on vacuum, new 1200 gph RO
    2015- 3104 taps on vacuum
    2017- 3213 taps on vacuum
    3' x 10' oil fired evaporator with steamaway

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