The head rating on the pump is 230' and the discharge diameter is 1". I need to move the sap up 100' +/- 10' The line would be close to 1500' which for a 1" line would leave 61.2 gallons in the line. For 1/2" line, there would be 15.3 gallons in the line.
2016 - 2 x 4 Randy Worthen built arch and pans 11 taps; 2.625 gallons of syrup!
2017 - 29 taps; 11.625 gallons of syrup!
2018 - 30 taps; 98 pints bottled! New sugar house being built, new equipment coming!
2019 - 125 taps; 50 gallons made! New 2x6 Smoky Lake Corsair arch, drop flue pan, auto draw. Smoky Lake filter press and Steam Bottler
2020 - 173 taps; only 35 gallons made.
2021 - 242 taps; New record! 50.5 gallons made!
2022 - 321 taps; New record! 80 gallons made!
We have about the same situation you are talking about with ours being 120' of elevation change and our line is 1200' long. We use 1 inch pipe and a 1.5 Submersible pump operates at 10 gpm. We pump up whats in the tank and then drain the line after we pump. The difference with us would be we are pumping up 1800 taps worth so the 50 gallons in the line isn't really much. On big runs we have continuously pumped for over 2 hours just to keep up
Last edited by Cameron Duke; 01-27-2021 at 11:17 AM.
Check what the length of each size line will do in the performance. With 130' head leeway, it likely would not stop the flow, but the flow would certainly be considerably less with the smaller pipe. It would be a shame, if you set it all up on 1/2" only to find the flow is too slow and you need to go to 3/4"Originally Posted by DMF
The head rating on the pump is 230' and the discharge diameter is 1". I need to move the sap up 100' +/- 10' The line would be close to 1500' which for a 1" line would leave 61.2 gallons in the line. For 1/2" line, there would be 15.3 gallons in the line.
Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.
If I figured right you can't do it with 1/2". With 3/4" it's close but the flow yield is only 5 gpm. reducing pipe diameter only exacerbates the head vs flow calculation. However, going to 1 1/4" pipe is doable and should get you around 20 GPM. Just a lot of sap left in the line. Personally, I would rather haul it to the sugar shack. That's what I do now and my collection tank is about the same distance from the shack.
125-150 taps
Smokey Lakes Full pint Hybrid pan
Modified half pint arch
Air over fire
All 3/16 tubing
Southern Ohio
I think you are right...
2016 - 2 x 4 Randy Worthen built arch and pans 11 taps; 2.625 gallons of syrup!
2017 - 29 taps; 11.625 gallons of syrup!
2018 - 30 taps; 98 pints bottled! New sugar house being built, new equipment coming!
2019 - 125 taps; 50 gallons made! New 2x6 Smoky Lake Corsair arch, drop flue pan, auto draw. Smoky Lake filter press and Steam Bottler
2020 - 173 taps; only 35 gallons made.
2021 - 242 taps; New record! 50.5 gallons made!
2022 - 321 taps; New record! 80 gallons made!
Depends on the terrain of the trail to and from, hauling may be simpler. But you did score the pump for free, so investing a bit in some tubing may be worth avoiding wear and tear on your sap hauling equipment and possibly your back. You may also be able to find a use for the pump with less distance or height involved to test it out to see how it performs transferring some sap.
6th season solo sugar maker in a young sugar bush of mostly red maples
320 taps
2x6 self built arch, Flat pans w/ dividers
New 12x16 sugar house
CDL hobby 250 RO
Currently, I have 3/16 sap lines running to two IBC totes (4 lines into one and 3 lines into another) and one line running to two 55 gallon drums. I use another IBC on the back of my tractor to collect. The collection tanks are on a property that has road frontage which I use to access these tanks. Currently they are 300-350' from the road. I have a driveway access off of it but it is paved for 50', gravel for 50' and woods road the rest of the way which gets really muddy. I haven't gotten stuck yet but I think it's inevitable. Plus, when it's running good I need to make 2-3 trips probably 2 miles round trip.
The woods from where I currently have the tanks to the road still slopes, but to a lesser degree. The idea is, extend the lines closer to the paved road, put three totes there, pick up another 30-50 taps in the process and collect from one location. There is a brook between the road and where we plan to collect so I would need to make a foot bridge about 12'-14' long to span it to get my dolly mounted transfer pump over to the tanks, but the good side is I can put 2-3 IBC totes on my flatbed truck, have it parked on the road and only make one trip.
When we were looking at this, my buddy came up with the idea "why not use the new free pump and pump it right to the sugar house?" That scenario would allow us to run down on the Ranger with that free pump and the generator to run it. It's a good idea, but it may not be as feasible as we hoped...
2016 - 2 x 4 Randy Worthen built arch and pans 11 taps; 2.625 gallons of syrup!
2017 - 29 taps; 11.625 gallons of syrup!
2018 - 30 taps; 98 pints bottled! New sugar house being built, new equipment coming!
2019 - 125 taps; 50 gallons made! New 2x6 Smoky Lake Corsair arch, drop flue pan, auto draw. Smoky Lake filter press and Steam Bottler
2020 - 173 taps; only 35 gallons made.
2021 - 242 taps; New record! 50.5 gallons made!
2022 - 321 taps; New record! 80 gallons made!
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