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  1. #1
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    Well I finally dropped the cash and bought a RO. Had 5 days in a row last year with 100 to 175 gallons of sap waiting to boil. Those long boils get old fast so I bought a R20 kit from The RO Bucket. It should be more then I need but that means I can tap more trees. This is definitely a sickness!
    2x3 Patrick Phaneuf pan
    Homemade arch
    100+ taps
    Sugar Shack in future
    Wife into it as much as me
    Also do homebrew

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    You'll like having the RO. Just remember once you RO you really need to get it boiled so it does not spoil. What I mean is don't RO one day and then boil the next. Check the past posts get some details on timelines, but you'll still want to boil it that day. The RO is probably the best upgrade to saving time...I mean getting more time in the woods to expand....I mean check your lines...maybe dream about expansion.

    Mike
    Tapping since 1985 (four generations back to early to mid 1900s). 200-250 taps on buckets and then tubing in the mid 90s. 2013- 275 taps w/sap puller 25 gal. 2014-295 taps w/sap puller 55 ga. (re-tapped to vacuum theory) 2015-330 taps full vac. 65 gal, 2016-400 taps 105 gal, 2017-400 taps 95 gal. 2018-additional 800' mainline and maybe 400 new taps for a total near 800 taps. 2x6 Leader WSE (last year on it) supported by a 250 gph RO.

  3. #3
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    I don't have many trees but bought one of the RO Buckets last year. I love it since it cuts my boil time down by 2/3.
    Steve

    SE Pennsylvania

    2021 - 12 taps with drop lines and buckets, RO5, 21”x24” SS pan with prewarmer pan, backyard made wood fired 55gal drum stove
    2020 - 13 taps with drop lines and buckets, RO5, backyard made wood fired 55gal drum stove with 2 lg 6” deep pans - 6.75 pints (very warm winter)
    2019 Rookie Season - 14 taps with drop lines and buckets, RO5, turkey fryer with 6” deep pan - 16.5 pints

  4. #4
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    Hey Skeller, Perry County, PA here.
    I just bought a RO5 bucket but haven't used it yet. How/when do you use it? Do you collect the permeate and concentrate into different buckets/containers, or do you just put the end of the concentrate output tube into the raw sap tank and just keep recycling/running the sap/concentrate mixture until it reaches your desired SC%? Do you run it overnight before a boiling day? Or do you collect and chill/freeze your concentrate?
    Thanks for any tips or advice.

  5. #5
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    I use it as soon as I get back from collecting. I run out of the collection buckets in to a pure water bucket and concentrated sap buckets until I have run all of my sap. I then run that concentrate in to another set of buckets. At the end I have sap around 7.5-8 percent sugar. As the sugar percentage goes up you need to adjust it. The way I do it you just adjust it twice. If you continued to cycle it I would think you would be playing around with it the entire time. I use 5 gallon buckets but if I had more trees I would use bigger tanks. I then take the end product and freeze it till the weekend when I boil it all off at once.
    Steve

    SE Pennsylvania

    2021 - 12 taps with drop lines and buckets, RO5, 21”x24” SS pan with prewarmer pan, backyard made wood fired 55gal drum stove
    2020 - 13 taps with drop lines and buckets, RO5, backyard made wood fired 55gal drum stove with 2 lg 6” deep pans - 6.75 pints (very warm winter)
    2019 Rookie Season - 14 taps with drop lines and buckets, RO5, turkey fryer with 6” deep pan - 16.5 pints

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    Yes, there is a temperature at which you can hold concentrate. Dr Tim posted a chart on that someplace. It all depends on the sugar%. It doesn't need to freeze 1-2 degrees above works well. A friend of mine bought 1150 gal of my sap over a 4 day period, while my wife kept boiling what we had in our sugarhouse tanks (the last year before we had our RO). Those 4 days, were Friday-Monday, he ran it thru his RO each day and sent it to a working tank that cooled it to 30F. The following Sat and Sunday was Open house weekend. He made some nice medium amber with it. He kept half, I got the other half (a 30 gal barrel full).
    Dave Klish about 400 taps, down from much more. Will hold about the same for 2021
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
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  7. #7
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    Congrats Zman...long overdue. Have a great season

    Mike
    Algier 2x6
    Around 2500 taps
    Polaris ATVs, Ski Doo snowmobiles to get around
    Atlas Copco, Surge SP-22 pumps
    Lapierre 600 RO




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