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    Can i freeze concentrated sap at 8% sugar if i dont have the time to boil right away..i thinkin i could but would like a second or third option...thx

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    Sure. No need to completely freeze it though.
    2015 - 8 buckets, 332L sap, 8.5L syrup - Barrel evaporator, 2 steam pans
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    2017 - 10 bags, 470L sap, 9L syrup
    2018 - 20 bags, 1050L sap, 17.6L syrup
    2019 - 20 bags, 970L sap, 22.2L syrup
    2020 - 17 bags, 813L sap, 17L syrup

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    Dr Tim had a post he made once to give the freezing point on various concentrations. You might be best off stopping it 1-2 degrees above the freezing point. Otherwise it might take too long to thaw it on demand.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Absolutely - it should be the sap quality coming out of the freezer as when it went in.
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    From my calculations, the freezing point depression of 8% sugar, considering Kf of water, # of types of molecules, and molarity of sucrose at 8%, would be -0.435 deg C. About 1 deg F. I could be wrong, but I think I am at least close.

    I know just enough to be dangerous!
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    http://mapletrader.com/community/sho...lk-tanks-value

    Dr Tim shared a chart that contains freezing point of concentrate on the attached thread.
    Matt,
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    Quote Originally Posted by therealtreehugger View Post
    From my calculations, the freezing point depression of 8% sugar, considering Kf of water, # of types of molecules, and molarity of sucrose at 8%, would be -0.435 deg C. About 1 deg F. I could be wrong, but I think I am at least close.

    I know just enough to be dangerous!
    1F is not -0.4C.

    Metric is easier. Wink
    2015 - 8 buckets, 332L sap, 8.5L syrup - Barrel evaporator, 2 steam pans
    2016 - 8 buckets, 432L sap
    2017 - 10 bags, 470L sap, 9L syrup
    2018 - 20 bags, 1050L sap, 17.6L syrup
    2019 - 20 bags, 970L sap, 22.2L syrup
    2020 - 17 bags, 813L sap, 17L syrup

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealtreehugger View Post
    ...would be -0.435 deg C. About 1 deg F. I could be wrong, ...
    You're right in C, but not in F. -0.435 C = 31.2 F.

    Chart attached. I'd suggest starting out a bit higher than your intended set point, and creeping downward from there. Temperature measurements and chilling systems have various errors built into them, so could be a few degrees off. Maybe start at 35 deg F and work downward a little over time, keeping an eye out for icing.

    freezepointsugar.JPG
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