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    Some Missouri folks here have already tapped. Sometimes our sapflow continues into mid March. What are problems that might be encountered from tapping this early?
    2020: 220 trees, most smaller than 20" diameter, made 25 gallons
    remote location in western Cole County
    5/16" plastic spiles, drain into plastic buckets or sapsaks
    haul sap out of woods using atv & trailer
    wood-fired pans on concrete blocks
    one Leader Half Pint 24 x 33" plus 24 x 30 ss pan from a junkyard
    cook batch process then finish in the kitchen;
    we dont sell our syrup; its for family & friends
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    the main risk is your taps quit running. Look at Cornell's and Dr. Tim's site on reaming holes. You can get a little more season out of a tap. Using buckets your tap holes will dry up quicker than tubing. Unless you have trees to spare I'd wait a while. I tap early, but I have a dedicated bush for early tapping and one for spring regular season. I never depend on my early taps sustaining good flow through to spring. Sometimes they do, but I don't hang my season on it.
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    Modified half pint arch
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    OK thanks to all. We will likely ream the holes in early Feb if flowrates decline. John
    2020: 220 trees, most smaller than 20" diameter, made 25 gallons
    remote location in western Cole County
    5/16" plastic spiles, drain into plastic buckets or sapsaks
    haul sap out of woods using atv & trailer
    wood-fired pans on concrete blocks
    one Leader Half Pint 24 x 33" plus 24 x 30 ss pan from a junkyard
    cook batch process then finish in the kitchen;
    we dont sell our syrup; its for family & friends
    see website www.mosyrup.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclejohn View Post
    Some Missouri folks here have already tapped. Sometimes our sapflow continues into mid March. What are problems that might be encountered from tapping this early?
    Many of the canadians are already tapped, just saw this morning that someone in Nova Scotia is tapped made a few hundred gallons and their season can go until may 1st. Seems to be going longer and longer

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    Good idea having some trees early and some late! How do you decide which to tap early and which to tap later?
    I have some on tubing running right to my barn, in the woods, so they are tall without a ton of canopy. I have others on buckets (buckets = 2-3 feet of tubing leading down to a 5 gal pail on the ground), that are out in the open more, and have bigger canopies. These trees are new to me this year.
    Any thoughts on which would be better to tap earlier vs later? Which set of trees would produce better earlier vs later? pros - cons?
    Thanks!
    2017 - 20ish taps on buckets, boiling outside in two baking pans
    2018 - 70+ taps, 14-buckets, 50+ on tubing, homemade arch from oil tank in my barn, 17 gal syrup
    2019 - same set up, 20 gal syrup
    2020 - less taps, short season, but RO kit was fantastic! 6 gal syrup and a maple cat!
    2021/22/23 - expanded into the neighbors yards! 50 taps on buckets and 40 taps on tubing

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealtreehugger View Post
    Good idea having some trees early and some late! How do you decide which to tap early and which to tap later?
    I have some on tubing running right to my barn, in the woods, so they are tall without a ton of canopy. I have others on buckets (buckets = 2-3 feet of tubing leading down to a 5 gal pail on the ground), that are out in the open more, and have bigger canopies. These trees are new to me this year.
    Any thoughts on which would be better to tap earlier vs later? Which set of trees would produce better earlier vs later? pros - cons?
    Thanks!

    I believe that trees on a south facing aspect are more likely to do better in the early season. I.E. those that get hit by the low sun.

    If your trees are effected by the geo thermal warming of Long Island Sound I would consider taping those early too. In this location you will loose your freezing nights needed for good sap flow earlier in the season then other places 4 sure.

    I have a tree that flowed extremely well when I did tap early in the season and I am suspicious that the reason was that the tree was located in the middle of my leaf compose pile had something to do with it. The ground under the leaves did not freeze very much.

    Here in CT, last year was the first year since I began modern day tapping back in 2016 that I resisted tapping before Feb 15. I was glad that I did because I ended up making just about as much syrup as I did in my peak year since I began tapping in 2016. My season ended by March 15th and I had half the number of fires I had to light as in any of my other seasons since 2016. My gallons of sap was not record but it was close enough. My total amount of syrup made was even close if not tied with my record.

    It also put me in great position to catch the record run of early March which I know was also a record run for another sugar maker about 60 miles to my northeast in CT, who has been tapping for at least 20 years in that region.

    My amount of work last season was easily half that of any other season.

    My rule of thumb for upland CT is ... make sure I have fresh taps for the last two weeks of February and first two weeks of March.

    The world is still the world and it still pretty much does what it always did and I try not to turn into a drama queen over it.
    If you think it's easy to make good money in maple syrup .... then your obviously good at stealing somebody's Maple Syrup.

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    Most Hated Animal: Sap Sucker
    Most Loved Animal: Devon Rex Cat
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    40 Sugar Maple Taps ... 23 in CT and 17 in NY .... 29 on gravity tubing and 11 on 5G buckets ... 2019 Totals 508 gallons of sap, 7 boils, 11.4 gallons of syrup.
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    Sugar Bear - Thanks for the specifics - it is good to know what other maplers are doing nearby. I think I only have tapped once in Jan, but recently, not until early-mid Feb. I am almost 10 miles inland from LIS, so I get a little warmth, but not much. I think I will start with the more crowded trees on tubing, and add the stand-alone bucket trees later. Thanks for the insights!
    2017 - 20ish taps on buckets, boiling outside in two baking pans
    2018 - 70+ taps, 14-buckets, 50+ on tubing, homemade arch from oil tank in my barn, 17 gal syrup
    2019 - same set up, 20 gal syrup
    2020 - less taps, short season, but RO kit was fantastic! 6 gal syrup and a maple cat!
    2021/22/23 - expanded into the neighbors yards! 50 taps on buckets and 40 taps on tubing

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealtreehugger View Post
    Sugar Bear - Thanks for the specifics - it is good to know what other maplers are doing nearby. I think I only have tapped once in Jan, but recently, not until early-mid Feb. I am almost 10 miles inland from LIS, so I get a little warmth, but not much. I think I will start with the more crowded trees on tubing, and add the stand-alone bucket trees later. Thanks for the insights!
    It would be nice to have a better feel of sugar content of the early season sap. I will bet people could have gotten a lot of sap in CT in early to mid December this year for sure. I wonder how much under 1% it would have been.

    Every year the sap suckers drill holes in several of the trees around me ( and yes most of those trees are healthy trees ) and from those trees I have developed a high tech method of determining how well the sap flows beginning from December onward when it does flow. ( look at the side of the tree below the sap sucker holes )

    I am also thinking of rigging up some modified taps into a couple of those sucker holes to get enough sap to do a sugar content on.

    That would let me know sugar content before I even drill any deeper tap holes.

    However, I may just start killing sap suckers during the early season even though it is a federal crime with a jail sentence more substantial then if you stole all of someone's money.
    If you think it's easy to make good money in maple syrup .... then your obviously good at stealing somebody's Maple Syrup.

    Favorite Tree: Sugar Maple
    Most Hated Animal: Sap Sucker
    Most Loved Animal: Devon Rex Cat
    Favorite Kingpin: Bruce Bascom
    40 Sugar Maple Taps ... 23 in CT and 17 in NY .... 29 on gravity tubing and 11 on 5G buckets ... 2019 Totals 508 gallons of sap, 7 boils, 11.4 gallons of syrup.
    1 Girlfriend that gives away all my syrup to her friends.

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    I would save my best trees for spring. Tap any marginal and junk trees now, early season is not as good for production with less sap and lower sugar. don't gamble with your sure thing trees
    125-150 taps
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    Modified half pint arch
    Air over fire
    All 3/16 tubing
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    I am going to start tapping around the middle of january. Glen Goodrich started tapping around Dec.15. The good thing about tapping is the snow is not so deep.
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    started on a 2x2 pan in 2000 and now
    custom built oil fired 4x12 arch by me
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