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    Clean the entire inside of the oil reclaimer with kerosene , rinse, then it should be good. Best to remove the porous stone filter and let the oil flow. Install a shut off for when not running or the pump will be full of oil and then won't turn. At the right RPM with those changes you should, with good vanes and a smooth bore, get about 24" vacuum, but if the oil stops it will get toasted.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    I used brake cleaner the first time around I thought that would do the trick, it looked clean. Could it be sucking in debris from the vacuum controller? I assume the stone filter unscrews, i'll give it a try tomorrow. I spent so much time fooling with it i got behind on boiling, so i just left it off. One of the drawbacks of a one man operation. After tomorrow i should be all caught up on sap and i can think about turning the vacuum back on. I have about 500 gal of sap sitting, at least its in the cool.
    2024 - 57 Gallons - Short season, many and varied problems remedied in short order! - No buckets!
    2023 - 38 Gallons - RO broke, Buckets didn't run, rebuilt vacuum pump mid-season, still made good syrup!
    2022 - 52 Gallons - DIY RO, 50% less fuel, no late nights in the shack!
    2021 - 48 Gallons - new pans, new arch, lots of new taps and tubing
    2020 - 32 Gallons
    2019 - 27 Gallons

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    The stone filter is junk. I put a spin on automotive filter then a ball valve then a copper line bent up above the oil line in the reclaimer. This will stop the pump from filling with oil and the copper will help keep the oil cooler. Just a bit will trickle into the pump but not enough to cause any problems.
    The delaval oilers are the best. The one I bought require another line from the Oiler to the bearings and flood line at the vac inlet. Do these out of copper as well.
    I have a picture of it somewhere. I’ll try and find it. It was an Alamo 100 and way to big for my setup. So I sold it. But the pump stayed cool and would pull 28” no prob.
    600 taps on vacuum
    Lapierre mechanical Releaser
    CDL electric releaser
    2.5 x 10 CDL Venturi ( new for the 2024 season )
    Home made modulating auto draw off
    Homemade RO 2 x 4" membranes
    CDL 16 x 16 bottler
    Wesfab 7" filter press
    Delaval 73 vacuum pumps

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    Here is pictures of my setup if it helps. As Bricklayer says, No stone filter, straight connection to reclaimer with shut off valve and a replaceable filter which I replace once or twice throughout the season. I run a drop every 5-6 seconds on each oiler and have consistently pulled 23-24” for the past 5 seasons.

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    18”x60” Lapierre propane evaporator with Smokey Lake auto draw off
    Homemade 3 post RO with MES membranes
    Ford TS110 tractor sap hauler

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    I eventually ended up putting copper from the bottom of the oilers to the bearings.
    Last edited by Bricklayer; 03-14-2021 at 07:10 AM.
    600 taps on vacuum
    Lapierre mechanical Releaser
    CDL electric releaser
    2.5 x 10 CDL Venturi ( new for the 2024 season )
    Home made modulating auto draw off
    Homemade RO 2 x 4" membranes
    CDL 16 x 16 bottler
    Wesfab 7" filter press
    Delaval 73 vacuum pumps

    12 hives of bees

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    The intake to my pump is vertical so I'll have to pick up an elbow and some fittings to attach a third oiler. Do you just drill and tap the pump casting to add the third oiler?
    2024 - 57 Gallons - Short season, many and varied problems remedied in short order! - No buckets!
    2023 - 38 Gallons - RO broke, Buckets didn't run, rebuilt vacuum pump mid-season, still made good syrup!
    2022 - 52 Gallons - DIY RO, 50% less fuel, no late nights in the shack!
    2021 - 48 Gallons - new pans, new arch, lots of new taps and tubing
    2020 - 32 Gallons
    2019 - 27 Gallons

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    I tapped the pipe that screwed into the casting. A lot simpler. Should put a brass swing check valve right after to prevent oil being sucked back into releaser when the pump is shut off. I know the picture I posted isn’t the clearest but you can see where I tapped the pipe right before the casting and put the check valve right after.
    Last edited by Clinkis; 03-14-2021 at 06:04 PM.
    Maple Rock Farm
    www.Maplerockfarm.ca
    400 taps on Vacuum
    18”x60” Lapierre propane evaporator with Smokey Lake auto draw off
    Homemade 3 post RO with MES membranes
    Ford TS110 tractor sap hauler

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    I'll have to check the casting to see if it's threaded on the inside. Currently it has a flexible hose clamped onto the outside of the casting, which i assume is the factory setup from it's days in a milking parlor. If it is threaded that would make my life a whole lot easier. I won't have to pull the whole pump off the frame and into the shop to do the job. My oil filter should be here today, and i already have the new oilers in hand so i hope to be up and running by noon today. It looks like i should be able to get another week or so of run if i don't run into any more issues.
    2024 - 57 Gallons - Short season, many and varied problems remedied in short order! - No buckets!
    2023 - 38 Gallons - RO broke, Buckets didn't run, rebuilt vacuum pump mid-season, still made good syrup!
    2022 - 52 Gallons - DIY RO, 50% less fuel, no late nights in the shack!
    2021 - 48 Gallons - new pans, new arch, lots of new taps and tubing
    2020 - 32 Gallons
    2019 - 27 Gallons

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    New oilers installed, so nice to be able to adjust them. Also installed the filter upgrade. MUCH better. It took a little while to get the oil to start dripping but once it started it looked great and the vacuum is perfect. Next project is a temperature controlled switch to cut the pump on and off so i don't have to drive out there in the morning and evening and switch it on and off. Thanks for all the help everyone!!
    2024 - 57 Gallons - Short season, many and varied problems remedied in short order! - No buckets!
    2023 - 38 Gallons - RO broke, Buckets didn't run, rebuilt vacuum pump mid-season, still made good syrup!
    2022 - 52 Gallons - DIY RO, 50% less fuel, no late nights in the shack!
    2021 - 48 Gallons - new pans, new arch, lots of new taps and tubing
    2020 - 32 Gallons
    2019 - 27 Gallons

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    Great to hear that you are up and running
    Sugaring for 45+ years
    New Sugarhouse 14'x32'
    New to Me Algier 2'x8' wood fired evaporator
    2022 added a used RB25 RO Bucket
    250 mostly Sugar Maples, 15% Soft Maples. Currently,(110on 3/16" and 125 on Shurflo 4008 vacuum, 15 gravity), (16,000 before being disabled)
    1947 Farmall H and Wagon with gathering tank
    2012 Kubota with forks to move wood around

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