View Poll Results: How often do you hit stain (previous tapping wound, brown wood) while tapping?

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    I&rsquo;ve been at it for five years. I&rsquo;ve yet to hit stained wood. I&rsquo;ve sort of gone about it In An organized way using points of the compass for tapping spots.


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    Some of my trees are very old and its hard to find new wood. I have a stash of 4 foot ladders around my woods to get above it.
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    on a 2 by 7 home made evaporator and sugar shack
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    Quote Originally Posted by MapleCamp View Post
    Some of my trees are very old and its hard to find new wood. I have a stash of 4 foot ladders around my woods to get above it.
    Can you tap any lower, or is it all tapped out there too?
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    Bump...please keep the poll responses coming folks.
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    Getting near 100...if you haven't voted, please do so.
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    I plan on changing some of our practices in order to avoid stained wood. what should we be doing when we do hit stained wood?
    Still learning after all these years.

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    That is a personal decision/judgement you'll have to make at the time. The proportion of stained wood in the taphole dictates the amount of sap you will get. If half the taphole is stained, you'll lose about 50% of your "potential" sap yield. If it is just a small amount, the lost yield will be correspondingly low. If it is almost all stain, you'll get very little sap from the taphole. We'll have a video addressing some aspects of that soon. If you hit stain a lot...you definitely need to make adjustments to reduce the frequency of it happening. Every time you hit stain you lose sap and money. To reduce the chances this happens, you can:
    1. Tap below the lateral line (if you are on vacuum and are using good spout sanitation practices).
    2. Use longer droplines.
    3. Tap those trees/areas shallower for a while (10-20 yrs) - will result in less sap yield
    4. Use smaller spouts (1/4" or even 3/16") - will result in less sap yield
    5. Reduce the intensity of tapping (reduce the number of 2 and 3 tap trees)
    6. Don't tap those trees.
    7. Thin your woods to encourage better growth
    Option #1 gives great results and is very simple.
    Last edited by DrTimPerkins; 04-30-2020 at 12:26 PM.
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    When taping below the lateral should the tee be facing up or down? Maybe someone can post a photo of the proper orientation of the tee and drop in relation to the lateral?
    First introduced to making maple syrup in 1969
    Making syrup every year since 1979
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    Bought first Marcland drawoff in 1997, still going strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill m View Post
    When taping below the lateral should the tee be facing up or down? Maybe someone can post a photo of the proper orientation of the tee and drop in relation to the lateral?
    Link to UVM's video about tapping below the lateral:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-EEYgL7Lt0

    It works good, even for us just running Shurflo pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill m View Post
    When taping below the lateral should the tee be facing up or down? Maybe someone can post a photo of the proper orientation of the tee and drop in relation to the lateral?
    The tee can face up or down, but more importantly, the spout should point downward (the normal orientation). This creates a small air gap so that sap is not always held against the taphole where it can impact sanitation and freeze and result in spout heaving.

    TBL orientation.jpg

    https://mapleresearch.org/pub/m1216belowlateral/
    Dr. Tim Perkins
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