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    Default Wye in 3/16 tubing.

    After multiple failed searches Ive decided to post here. Im running 3/16 tubing to some trees on a hill behind my house. Total run to the tank is about 500 feet. At the very top of the run there are 4-5 trees off to the far left Id like to tap. Can I use a wye fitting and a short run of 3/16 to grab those trees. Unfortunately the layout doesnt let me run the line over to grab them, and its not feasible to run 500 of tubing for a few trees.

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    A "Y" is not recommended and will interfere with your flow, but you can do it. Is there a way to incorporate them into the run in any way. If they are at the top the lateral can be even or go slightly up hill. The natural vacuum will pull the sap. If they are way off the grid then you have two options: Run a new lateral to them or run a lateral from them to a mainline catching both runs at a downhill point (probably 5/16th would do.). The third option is buckets, but that defeats the idea of a line. One question is; how important are 5 trees to your production? You don't say how many taps you have. I have multiple situations like this and simply pass those trees, a few trees here and there aren't going to change my production that much when weighted against the effort to collect them.
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    It will work. It is not the “Ideal” way, but sometimes you have to do what you need to do to get the trees on the line. You may get a little bit less sap than running a separate line to them, but you will definitely get more sap than not tapping them at all.
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    As long as your main 3/16 line has good drop in elevation, just tap those 5, run to the uphill start of the rest and have it just be a longer single line. The exception might be if you are up over 35 taps doing that on one line, then find a way to split it into 2 lines, about half on each.
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    I second Dave's suggestion. I have this exact situation, it pulls a high vacuum on the "downhill" taps. The most taps I have on a single 3/16" run is 32, and when I run the numbers, I haven't noticed any drop in production of sap/tree/season over those runs with fewer taps but same vertical drop.
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    Thanks for the replies everyone. Were a very small first year operation, and the slope is super aggressive. ( Greater than 45 degrees in some areas) It looks like Ill skip the y and see if I can grab those trees with one line.

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    I have read that y's shouldn't be used and have tried them. They didn't work very well for me. Now can someone explain the reason that they don't work very well? Sap being pulled down the main lateral by vacuum should naturally pull the sap from the Y. Anyone??
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    Here is a thread from a number of years ago that begins to get at your question:

    http://mapletrader.com/community/sho...of-hill./page3
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30AcreWoods View Post
    Here is a thread from a number of years ago that begins to get at your question:

    http://mapletrader.com/community/sho...of-hill./page3
    That sort of answers that question, Thanks
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    If no y then what if a T is used instead. Would this not work?
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