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    Default Season #8 for me, thinking of upgrading to an RO system.

    The question I have for the group is this. For those that have made syrup without an RO and then started using one, did you notice "any" change in quality of your finished product?

    Dan

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    12' X 16' Sugar Shack 6/12 pitch roof W/ 3' X 4' Cupola.
    John Deere HPX 4X4 Gator (Dad told me he wanted me to have it when he died)
    New for 2020 HB10 RO In A Bucket
    2015 50 used Bag holders. 2016 Purchased a home made evaporator and "everything" that went with it.
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    absolutely Not

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    No change what so ever. Not one of our customers have said that they notice any differences.
    16' X 24' Sugarhouse
    2' X 6' Leader Inferno Arch with Revolution Raised-Flue Pans, Smoky Lake preheater and hood
    Deer Run Maple gas-powered 250 RO
    WesFab 7" filter press
    Kubota 1100 RTV with tracks and 125 gallon tank for transporting sap
    600+ taps on gravity and vacuum
    Very supportive wife who is the best coworker
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    Yes, from concentrating too high, around 18%, I was making all dark syrup without the dark syrup flavor. I then added a bubbler system to my evaporator which solved that problem. Now I get a lot of "this is the best syrup I've ever tasted" compliments on maple weekend when the visitors have tasted a lot of syrup before they came to me.

    An RO isn't going to ruin the flavor of your syrup if that's what you're asking. Once you've boiled concentrated sap you won't want to go back to boiling raw sap and you'll be wondering why you didn't get an RO sooner. It only took me 4 years to decide to get one and that was 15 years ago.
    Russ

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    The worst part of my RO is I use 75-80% less wood, and I love cuttin wood. I split it all by hand. My two fiskars splittin axes are gettin lonely. I RO'd 1050 gallons of sap this week, boiled 275 gallons of concentrate on 5 wheelbarrow on loads of sycamore, ash and silver maple. I got my RO for the 2018 season after boiling raw sap the first season. I'm still burning wood that I cut and split 4 years ago.
    2012 15 jugs
    2017 125 3/16 -18"x 6' drop flue, home made arch
    2018 240 3/16 12 bags -Deer Run 125 RO
    2019 450 3/16 -converted RO to electric, added a membrane
    2020 600 3/16 -Maple Pro 2x6 Raised Flue, added AOF/AUF



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    I Find that I don't make that dark dark syrup that some want. Always seems to stay lighter with more toffee/caramel taste vs smoky flavor and dark.
    18x30 sugarshack
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    7'' wes fab filter press
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    1-2500
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    4-275's
    more taps to come in '19

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmbmkr View Post
    The worst part of my RO is I use 75-80% less wood, and I love cuttin wood. I split it all by hand. My two fiskars splittin axes are gettin lonely. I RO'd 1050 gallons of sap this week, boiled 275 gallons of concentrate on 5 wheelbarrow on loads of sycamore, ash and silver maple. I got my RO for the 2018 season after boiling raw sap the first season. I'm still burning wood that I cut and split 4 years ago.
    you cut down a maple tree to burn? OMG... Not the sacred Maple

    I certainly haven't noticed a difference... but I went from 20 taps to 290 taps when I got my RO...
    2019 290 taps on 3/16"
    2018 20 taps on milk jugs
    2017 10 taps on milk jugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethalbowman View Post
    For those that have made syrup without an RO and then started using one, did you notice "any" change in quality of your finished product?
    There is no difference. https://mapleresearch.org/pub/m1015r...osmosisflavor/
    Dr. Tim Perkins
    UVM Proctor Maple Research Ctr
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    No noticeable difference - other than the smile on your face when you look at all the syrup you made and how little wood you burned!
    4,600 Taps on vacuum
    9,400 gallons storage
    3 tower CDL RO
    3.5'x14' Lapierre Force 5
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    [QUOTE=iby;377252]you cut down a maple tree to burn? OMG... Not the sacred Maple

    The wind blew it down across my driveway. We sawed the butt log on the band mill. Real pretty color in silver maple lumber.
    2012 15 jugs
    2017 125 3/16 -18"x 6' drop flue, home made arch
    2018 240 3/16 12 bags -Deer Run 125 RO
    2019 450 3/16 -converted RO to electric, added a membrane
    2020 600 3/16 -Maple Pro 2x6 Raised Flue, added AOF/AUF



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