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    Default Using a divided pan as a flat pan.

    Do you add sap to each of the chambers as to not establish a gradient?
    1960 - 1970s 70 taps on galvanized buckets with Dad and Grandpa.
    1970s - 1985 Acted crazy!
    1986 - 2005 20-30 buckets.
    2006- 2017 70 buckets and bags
    2017-2019 100 bags and buckets
    2020 Finally retired!!! 75 buckets, 50-75 on tubing. RO Bucket, New 12 X 16 Shack and a 42X42 flat pan.
    2021-Adding another 125 taps along with a second RO bucket.
    2022- Shooting for 350 taps, with 100 on lines.
    Lots of Family and Friends and dogs named Skyy and Nessy!

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    You won't get a gradient if you don't draw.
    2016 - helped at afriend with a small operation, 300+ taps. = hooked
    2017 - 20 taps @ home, 1 gal @ home on propane, then hauled to friends operation
    Bought a whole shack locally, with a Leader 1/2 Pint, moved it home
    2018 - 50 taps, 9 on 3/16 gravity and 41 pails -14 gallons of good sweet stuff
    2019 - 27 taps, 17 on 3/16 gravity and 10 on pails - 12-3/4 gallons of good sweet stuff (most fun I've had with this hobby)

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil-t View Post
    You won't get a gradient if you don't draw.
    If you keep adding raw sap to the same end of the pan it will form a gradient. Just add to each end alternately and it won't form a gradient.
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    Is there a reason you don't want a gradient?
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    I do this on my 3 section half pint pan with the last collection of sap of the season. I have no problems adding sap, like always, and boiling it as a batch. if there was a gradient, it was minimal and when I got to a 1/2" in the pan, I drew it all off, tested and finished on propane, in a large pot. Didn't have far to go to syrup.
    2016 - helped at afriend with a small operation, 300+ taps. = hooked
    2017 - 20 taps @ home, 1 gal @ home on propane, then hauled to friends operation
    Bought a whole shack locally, with a Leader 1/2 Pint, moved it home
    2018 - 50 taps, 9 on 3/16 gravity and 41 pails -14 gallons of good sweet stuff
    2019 - 27 taps, 17 on 3/16 gravity and 10 on pails - 12-3/4 gallons of good sweet stuff (most fun I've had with this hobby)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maple flats View Post
    Is there a reason you don't want a gradient?
    I do a lot of my sugaring alone and I have many other duties during syrup season. Shed hunting, sap gathering, wood cutting, etc. Presently with a flat pan, 36x42 I add 30 gallons of sap and 2 arm loads of wood and I leave for 2 hours or so, come back and refill both.
    I don’t have the time to do a draw off every 10 minutes or so.
    I have a old Sugar maker that wants to give me his 2x5 arch and pan after this season.
    1960 - 1970s 70 taps on galvanized buckets with Dad and Grandpa.
    1970s - 1985 Acted crazy!
    1986 - 2005 20-30 buckets.
    2006- 2017 70 buckets and bags
    2017-2019 100 bags and buckets
    2020 Finally retired!!! 75 buckets, 50-75 on tubing. RO Bucket, New 12 X 16 Shack and a 42X42 flat pan.
    2021-Adding another 125 taps along with a second RO bucket.
    2022- Shooting for 350 taps, with 100 on lines.
    Lots of Family and Friends and dogs named Skyy and Nessy!

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    I guess that makes sense somewhat. It must not boil very hard during the later part of those 2 hours, but do what you need to. If it works for you great, I've never left my pans longer than maybe 5 minutes unattended, if that when boiling. Does it actually boil or just simmer?
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maple flats View Post
    I guess that makes sense somewhat. It must not boil very hard during the later part of those 2 hours, but do what you need to. If it works for you great, I've never left my pans longer than maybe 5 minutes unattended, if that when boiling. Does it actually boil or just simmer?
    Correct Dave, It does not boil as hard at the end of the 2 or 3 hours as it does at the beginning , but I guess what matters to me, while I was gone pruning 20-30 apple trees another 20 - 30 gallons of sap disappeared. IMG_5854.jpg
    1960 - 1970s 70 taps on galvanized buckets with Dad and Grandpa.
    1970s - 1985 Acted crazy!
    1986 - 2005 20-30 buckets.
    2006- 2017 70 buckets and bags
    2017-2019 100 bags and buckets
    2020 Finally retired!!! 75 buckets, 50-75 on tubing. RO Bucket, New 12 X 16 Shack and a 42X42 flat pan.
    2021-Adding another 125 taps along with a second RO bucket.
    2022- Shooting for 350 taps, with 100 on lines.
    Lots of Family and Friends and dogs named Skyy and Nessy!

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    Dang I should be pruning apple trees! Thanks!
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    Chris
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    IMG_9651.jpg007 (3).jpgIMG_9706.jpg

    These pictures are to give you an idea what I'm currently doing on a 3X4 pan and arch.
    1960 - 1970s 70 taps on galvanized buckets with Dad and Grandpa.
    1970s - 1985 Acted crazy!
    1986 - 2005 20-30 buckets.
    2006- 2017 70 buckets and bags
    2017-2019 100 bags and buckets
    2020 Finally retired!!! 75 buckets, 50-75 on tubing. RO Bucket, New 12 X 16 Shack and a 42X42 flat pan.
    2021-Adding another 125 taps along with a second RO bucket.
    2022- Shooting for 350 taps, with 100 on lines.
    Lots of Family and Friends and dogs named Skyy and Nessy!

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