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    Default Black maple VS. Sugar maple

    Hello, I am wondering who has experience tapping black maple trees and how the sugar compares to sugar maple. I have both on my property and I am wondering how productive they are. My sugar maples are excellent producers dispite being overtapped by the previous owner, but the blacks appear untouched.

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    I have one black maple out of 110 total taps and it is by far my biggest producer. Have not checked its sugar content individually. I would tap them in a minute if I was you.
    Clay Stroup
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    From what I've read black maples are very similar to sugar maples as far as sugar content and production is concerned. When it comes to maple trees it's more desirable than reds or silvers. A lot of people on here tap reds and silvers myself included. Most of my taps are reds and produce an excellent flavored syrup. Tap them!
    Russ

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    We have sugar maples, black maples, and what look like hybrid sugar/black maples. For us they are basically interchangable, with similar sugar content, and volume of sap. Black maples make fine syrup, and are not fickle sap producers like our silver maples are. I would not hesitate to tap black maples. When we boil black maple sap separately, some can taste a slight difference in flavor (some can't), but that might be to different soil, sun exposure, etc... good luck!

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    Speaking of black maples, does anyone know where you can buy some in vt? Looking for a landscape project.
    2016- 50 buckets. Made 4 gallons
    2017- 100 buckets, 50 taps on 3/4 mainline and 3/16th tubing + shurflo vacuum. Made 30 gallons.
    2018- 1000 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, 60 buckets - made 378 gallons of syrup.
    2019- 1713 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, NO buckets. Made 500 gallons.

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    If you look in the North American Maple Syrup Producer's Manual for the areas where black maples grow, I think they are farther west than Vt, however they may do OK there if planted. I don't know. We used to have 1 black but it died, I suspect it was planted, not native. It was however mature when it died.
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    Thanks for that tip. I've seen a few around town that I'm sure were planted. I want to try because I love the look of them.
    2016- 50 buckets. Made 4 gallons
    2017- 100 buckets, 50 taps on 3/4 mainline and 3/16th tubing + shurflo vacuum. Made 30 gallons.
    2018- 1000 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, 60 buckets - made 378 gallons of syrup.
    2019- 1713 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, NO buckets. Made 500 gallons.

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    Black Maple grows in the extreme northwest side of Vermont, so it may do okay there.

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    I tap about 6 black maples 2.5' around, my sugar content only 1.1 to 1.5 they are in thick woods with, not a big canopy. I think they produce about the same as reds. I am a little off the map though.
    2017 140 taps 30x8 12x16 shack 28.5 gal
    2018 158 taps 30x8 12x16 shack with 8x8 kitchen 44 gal
    2019 223 taps 30x8 12x16 shack with 8x8 kitchen 36 gal
    2020 30x8 12x16 shack with 8x8 kitchen 250 waterloo ro

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    I tapped my first Black Maple last season and it was by far my best tree. My average sugar content for the season on a crowded woods with too much rain the year before we 1.1% but that one Black Maple gave 6%+ every time that I checked it. I'm not positive but I feel confident saying that it gave twice the sap as other trees as well. I had the tap pop out twice and both times the sap was flowing, not dripping, out of the hole.

    That tree and all other Black Maples on my property will be tapped next season. To be honest, that's not really saying much as I plan to tap every maple on my property that I can next season.
    Matt,
    Minehart Gap Maple

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