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    Default Permeate vs vinegar 24 hr soak

    Looks like we have a day off, was wondering what works better on niter build up? First year with permeate.
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    I find hot permeate for 24 hours works well but in the syrup pan I usually need to use vinegar. You could mix vinegar with the permeate and just bring to a boil then shut down. Pressure washer takes it from there.
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    I found distillate from the steam away,( should be same thing) worked well for syrup pan,had to add vinegar for flue pan
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    I mix vinegar and permeate, heat it, let it soak overnight, and flush it with more permeate. During the flush I would warm the pans up. This worked well for us.

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    Last year we did vinegar with tap water to soak the pans. This year with RO we use permeat with vinegar and that works much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VT_K9 View Post
    I mix vinegar and permeate, heat it, let it soak overnight, and flush it with more permeate. During the flush I would warm the pans up. This worked well for us.

    Mike
    This may be a dumb question, but what is permeate? This weekend I will be cleaning my pan and i tried looking up what permeate is, but did not find anything. Not sure if it is a process or a product.

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    Permeate is the pure water produced from processing sap through a reverse osmosis machine. It is great for cleaning as it has no mineral content. That said I find vinegar soaking ro be a better solution for syrup pan cleaning.
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    Thanks for the information

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT_K9 View Post
    I mix vinegar and permeate, heat it, let it soak overnight, and flush it with more permeate. During the flush I would warm the pans up. This worked well for us.
    This is exactly what I do as well for my flat pans. Works VERY well. I have a video for it here:
    https://youtu.be/GrDxTZQcJok
    And more info here:
    https://www.sugartree.run/2019/03/en...-cleaning.html

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    Now that I'm finally indoors, I need to learn this process.
    1) After final draw of season, do you use permeate/vinegar solution to flush out pans while still warm/hot? Or let rig cool, drain, rinse & refill with solution?
    2) Do you ever warm/boil solution during this process other than at rinsing?
    3) what is an ideal vinegar concentrate? ratio or PH
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