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    Default New Evaporator - Ash door ideas

    Building an arch from a 250 gal fuel oil tank. Would anyone mind posting some pictures of their ash doors, or ash collecting boxes? Looking for some ideas that would help with removing ash. Trying to figure out if having ash door under the main door or collecting ash under the fire box is the best option.
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    Is this build going to have AUF?
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    2023 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, sap storage shack w/ 1100 gallon tank - 123 gallons
    2022 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, homemade vac filter & water jacket canner - 104 gallons
    2021 - 215 on 3/16 shurflo, added 2nd membrane to RO - 78 gallons
    2020 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, upgraded hp pump on RO - 66 gallons
    2019 - 150 on 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 on 3/16 shurflo, 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons

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    My arch has a draft/ash clean out door, no ash container, it's just open under the grates. I only need to remove ash about every 50-60 hrs of boiling (which means I sometimes remove ash once mid season and again after the season, other time I only need to clean them out after the season.). I do however have high pressure AUF/AOF. At any rate, don't leave ashes in the bottom after the season is over. They will absorb moisture from the aair and then they will eat into the steel.
    Last edited by maple flats; 10-04-2019 at 10:30 AM.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    I am considering an AUF. My brother gave me a four inch black pipe, hope it’s not too large, so reading what Maple Flats has, just a door, that’s probably a better option.
    Thank you

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    4" pipe for the AUF should be big enough for a oil tank evap provided you have a decent blower. Without a blower you will struggle to get enough natural draft.

    I didn't add an ash door to mine. I just clean it out through the fire box door. With AUF and or AOF you will find the ash takes a long time to build up.
    2017 25 taps on buckets got me hooked 1 gallon of sweet
    2018 51 taps on 3/16 tubing/ DIY oil tank evaporator 8.5gallons finished
    2019 60 taps 7 gallons finished ended season short
    2020 New 2x4 divided pan ready to get away from the headache that is steam table pans
    2021 off year due to pandemic and projects
    2022 back at it

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    I suggest you weld the end shut on the inside, then make a hole at the very bottom of the tank with a good fit, but don't weld it in place. Then drill about 3/4" holes down the pipe in 3 rows, about every 2.5-3", one top center, and one facing the outer edges of the grate on each side. That is for a squirrel cage type blower, if you have a high pressure blower, only drill 5/16" holes, use the same spacing. The plug welded inside the end is so you can remove the pipe for better cleaning after the season.
    4" is plenty, my 3x8 evaporator has a 4" 16 ga galvanized air tube (using a high pressure blower).
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    I seen this blower online. Even though I have the 4 in pipe, was considering the 6 inch blower, just get a reducer.
    https://www.amazon.com/VIVOSUN-Inlin...1682077&sr=8-1

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    You are looking for a blower with an impeller or squirrel cage design. The one you linked to is a fan and it won't have the performance you are looking for.
    2017 25 taps on buckets got me hooked 1 gallon of sweet
    2018 51 taps on 3/16 tubing/ DIY oil tank evaporator 8.5gallons finished
    2019 60 taps 7 gallons finished ended season short
    2020 New 2x4 divided pan ready to get away from the headache that is steam table pans
    2021 off year due to pandemic and projects
    2022 back at it

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    An inline duct fan will not do well at all, wrong type of fan.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    If price is the concern, look for a discarded furnace blower as people get a new furnace. This time of year if you keep your eyes open you will see such blowers set out on trash day. stop and get it. The type I refer to are belt driven, then just experiment with pulley size. If it blows too hard, just add an adjustable inlet to regulate the air. Over the years I've gotten 3 or 4 such blowers, unfortunately I have given them all away.
    The 390 cfm figure you see on the blower you referenced is misleading. A booster for in-line ducts has help from the furnace blower, it will not move 390 cfm by itself.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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