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    I don't recall how many years ago I got my first NASS report to file, but it was over 10 years ago, maybe even 15 yrs. I sent back the report each time, this year I did not get one to file.
    Another point, in the past I've encouraged every producer to file their report, it seems a majority refused because they were afraid the info would come back to bite them (my feeling is they didn't report the sales)
    This type of information is hard to get farmers to report because they don't trust the laws that force the info to just be used for statistics. For this reason I question how accurate any of this info can be, how can those who compile the info collected and "correct" it to get a final report.
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    Oh the infamous 9 words that will strike fear in the hearts of men...

    "We're from the government and we're here to help."

    I am often asked to fill out government survey's and labor reports....they get filed in the round file next to my chair.

    Wonder why the NASS report can't be anonymous, with county and state only. (maybe it is?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnallin View Post
    Oh the infamous 9 words that will strike fear in the hearts of men...

    "We're from the government and we're here to help."
    Yup...people are afraid of this right up until the time they NEED help, and then they find they can't get it, because, technically, you don't exist (because you haven't reported).

    An example of the connection between reporting and $. This doesn't involve NASS, but same idea.

    Back in the Jan 1998 ice storm a huge number of maple producers were affected across a wide swath of the northeast (Quebec and Ontario were very badly hit). The Vermont Dept of Forests, Parks & Recreation did an absolutely wonderful detailed map of damage, with stand maps and classes of damage delineated very precisely across the entire state. Other surrounding states....not so much. They basically just took a wide marker and colored in half the state, a good deal of that was "scattered" or "light". https://www.fs.fed.us/nrs/pubs/jrnl/...-weeks_001.pdf

    So we're thinking...great, at least in VT we have really good and useful info. We thought that right up until it came time to dole out the $ for research and damage clean-up. The U.S. Federal Government divvied up the money by acreage affected. So our great detailed VT damage map totaled a fairly small area compared to surrounding states, and we got less research and recover $ because of it. It would have been better in some ways if they'd used a wide-tip marker or crayon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTimPerkins View Post
    Yup...people are afraid of this right up until the time they NEED help, and then they find they can't get it, because, technically, you don't exist (because you haven't reported).

    An example of the connection between reporting and $. This doesn't involve NASS, but same idea.

    Back in the Jan 1998 ice storm a huge number of maple producers were affected across a wide swath of the northeast (Quebec and Ontario were very badly hit). The Vermont Dept of Forests, Parks & Recreation did an absolutely wonderful detailed map of damage, with stand maps and classes of damage delineated very precisely across the entire state. Other surrounding states....not so much. They basically just took a wide marker and colored in half the state, a good deal of that was "scattered" or "light". https://www.fs.fed.us/nrs/pubs/jrnl/...-weeks_001.pdf

    So we're thinking...great, at least in VT we have really good and useful info. We thought that right up until it came time to dole out the $ for research and damage clean-up. The U.S. Federal Government divvied up the money by acreage affected. So our great detailed VT damage map totaled a fairly small area compared to surrounding states, and we got less research and recover $ because of it. It would have been better in some ways if they'd used a wide-tip marker or crayon.
    That's a great example of how poorly the Federal Government qualifies the information it receives at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnallin View Post
    Although he doesn't like Leader Clear Presses I can see Fred's frustration....
    I think we're all a bit frustrated by it, however it is the best we have (even knowing there are some problems with it). It will require a little more effort and cooperation from producers for it to improve.
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