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    Default DIY RO - Need suggestions and direction

    Hey all,

    Iím interested in building up a small RO to handle my expanding set up.

    2020 should have 50-60 taps on vacuum and Iíll be using a mason 2x4.

    I would like to build a small RO to cut down on boiling time and free up some hours for other late winter/early spring projects.

    I like to build and have a decent understanding of RO.

    Can anyone suggest sizing and a build list for parts?

    All help is appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Bryan
    2020 - 70ish taps on shurflo 4008, 10 taps on buckets. Mason 2x4 XL. DIY R.O.
    2019 - First Season with a Late Start. 10 taps on buckets, block arch and 2.5 gallons of syrup.
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    Before that, what might your expansion be 2-3 years out? Is the 50-60 taps your likely max?
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, downsized after I lost my help, about 450-500 planned for 2021 (and after?)
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    I think the theoretical max is going to be about 75 taps... and that's assuming the neighbors let me tap their trees in exchange for some syrup.
    Even if I tapped everything in sight of my property I'll never get over 100 taps.
    2020 - 70ish taps on shurflo 4008, 10 taps on buckets. Mason 2x4 XL. DIY R.O.
    2019 - First Season with a Late Start. 10 taps on buckets, block arch and 2.5 gallons of syrup.
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    Trout Brook Valley
    Weston, CT

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    More questions:
    1) Will the taps be on buckets, gravity tubing, or vacuum? (This has big effect on yield)
    2) How quickly do you want to process the sap? If you want to process 100 gallons of sap down to say 30 gallons of concentrate in an hour, you'll want 4"x40". If you can let it run for say 12-24 hours, building something more like the RO Bucket might work for you.
    Boulder Trail Sugaring
    140 Taps on Vacuum
    Homemade Releaser
    Homemade 20"x40" Hybrid Pan - 15 gph
    Homemade Steamaway - 10 gph
    Waterguys single-post RO

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    Taps will be on a shureflow 4008.
    I'm not opposed to running RO overnite or the day prior to boiling but if I can build something to keep up with the evaporator that would be stellar.
    Id like to build something that can reliably concentrate me from 2% up to 6-7%ish.
    2020 - 70ish taps on shurflo 4008, 10 taps on buckets. Mason 2x4 XL. DIY R.O.
    2019 - First Season with a Late Start. 10 taps on buckets, block arch and 2.5 gallons of syrup.
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    Trout Brook Valley
    Weston, CT

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    https://youtu.be/s106bSrcfno

    Just add 2nd RO membrane to this and it will quadruple your sugar content in a single pass. Worked great with a single membrane for 38 taps.

    Parts list with links is provided in comments below the video.

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    Two 400-GPD membranes will make 4% concentrate at about 5 GPH. Your 2x4 mason will do maybe 10 GPH. You'll need to run the RO for an hour or two before boiling, but I think DRoseum's recommendation is a good one. If you plan to expand to 100-150 taps, I think a single-post 4x40 begins to make more sense, and I have used both types.
    Boulder Trail Sugaring
    140 Taps on Vacuum
    Homemade Releaser
    Homemade 20"x40" Hybrid Pan - 15 gph
    Homemade Steamaway - 10 gph
    Waterguys single-post RO

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    Whats the upside of 2 400GPD vs 4 200GPD membranes?
    I'm assuming the 4x200 would concentrate to a higher Brix, but at what flow?
    2020 - 70ish taps on shurflo 4008, 10 taps on buckets. Mason 2x4 XL. DIY R.O.
    2019 - First Season with a Late Start. 10 taps on buckets, block arch and 2.5 gallons of syrup.
    ______________________________________________
    Trout Brook Valley
    Weston, CT

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    I bit the bullet and purchased the bits to cobble together 4x150GPD system.
    Everything should be here by the weekend and I'll start building next week.
    I'm excited to see the fruits of my labor (and empty wallet).
    Thanks for the help.
    Bryan
    2020 - 70ish taps on shurflo 4008, 10 taps on buckets. Mason 2x4 XL. DIY R.O.
    2019 - First Season with a Late Start. 10 taps on buckets, block arch and 2.5 gallons of syrup.
    ______________________________________________
    Trout Brook Valley
    Weston, CT

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    No problem! The RO is the best thing I ever built. It really cuts boiling time and fuel usage. You should be very happy with the end result!

    To answer your other question, lower GDP membranes have lower flow rates, but adding multiple steps up the concentration. You might want to consider having the first 2 run in parallel and then having the 3rd and 4th in series.

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