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    Default Purchasing woods

    What would someone pay for 200 acres, 6000 taps all to one collection point. Easy power and lots of roadside access. There are no buildings on the property. Is there a max dollar per tap you look for before you say pass? On 6000 taps, what purchase price makes sense before it's not profitable? Thanks.
    2016- 50 buckets. Made 4 gallons
    2017- 100 buckets, 50 taps on 3/4 mainline and 3/16th tubing + shurflo vacuum. Made 30 gallons.
    2018- 1000 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, 60 buckets - made 378 gallons of syrup.
    2019- 1713 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, NO buckets. Made 500 gallons.

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    Im sure location will play some part in price. Im watching this thread with interest as I hope to have a part time maple farm in the future.
    2019 - 150 taps 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 taps 3/16 hybrid (shurflo), 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons
    2017 - 60 taps 3/16 gravity, oil tank arck w/ steam pans - 12.5 gallons

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    That is an average of 30 taps per acre. If the maples are close to evenly dispersed that will cost more to tube than typical. If almost half of the 200 acres has the bulk of the maples, without being only maples it will be better.
    Having all the sap flow to the sugarhouse is a huge plus.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, doing fewer each year, about 450 planned for 2020 (and after?)
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
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    Before you buy, develope a good plan on how to sell the syrup. If it is heavy in bulk syrup it is far harder to make a profit, if you can retail most or almost all, in syrup and value added products you can do far better. Just be realistic, will you mostly retail or not?
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, doing fewer each year, about 450 planned for 2020 (and after?)
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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    From what I have seen in real estate sales involving timberland that has sugar woods potential, the sale prices are generally between $1,900. and $2,200. per acre unless you are looking at 500 acres or more. There is always the odd sale where someone is able to make a great deal and might purchase sugar woods for $1,000. per acre, but those sales are few and far between.

    Joe
    2004- 470 taps on gravity and buckets
    2006- 590 taps on gravity and buckets 300 gph RO
    2009- 845 taps on vacuum no buckets, 600 gph RO
    2010- 925 taps on vacuum new 2 stage vacuum pump
    2014- 3045 taps on vacuum, new 1200 gph RO
    2015- 3104 taps on vacuum
    2017- 3213 taps on vacuum
    3' x 10' oil fired evaporator with steamaway

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    I like to look at it by price per tap. It seems that if you're paying more that 25-30$ per tap for raw land, the numbers won't add up at the end. If your 6000 taps are on a 100-acre stand and the other 100 acres are mixed or softwoods, you're buying into "unproductive" land for a sugarer. Price would have to be quite low, or the timber real nice in the non-sugar woods.

    If your 6000 taps are spread out on the 200 acres, I'd look for something else.

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    I agree with Maple Flats...30 taps per acre seems a little low density wise. I am assuming you are looking in VT but just for comparison that type of parcel in PA would go for probably $4000-5000 an acre. Recognize tree composition is different in VT vs PA in figuring timber value
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    Polaris ATVs, Ski Doo snowmobiles to get around
    Sp-22 power and lots of tanks
    Lapierre 600 RO




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    Thanks for your replies. I haven't walked the woods to know density. There is 40 acres of open land that I would plant Christmas trees on (I currently have 80,000 Christmas trees) Thanks for replies, this is helpful.
    2016- 50 buckets. Made 4 gallons
    2017- 100 buckets, 50 taps on 3/4 mainline and 3/16th tubing + shurflo vacuum. Made 30 gallons.
    2018- 1000 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, 60 buckets - made 378 gallons of syrup.
    2019- 1713 taps on 3/16 + vacuum, NO buckets. Made 500 gallons.

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    The bush we work in has 5400 taps on 70 acres and I don’t consider it overcrowded. There’s a few gaps here and there but generally an even distribution over the 70 acres.

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    Where in Vermont are you looking? ,if it's in the North East kingdom I would have LandVest do A Timber cruise, they have an office in Colebrook NH, and one of their Foresters has A sugar woods in Bloomfield or Limington vt, they can tell you what the value is of the Standing Timber and how Many Taps you have, 30 Taps to an Acre is not a 2000.00 dollar Per Acre woods, if it's a young stand because it was cut in the last 10 years I think somewhere in the 1000.00 to 1200 per acre range would be reasonable.

    I would not personally look at buying that much real estate without a Timber Cruise. Yes it might cost 3-500 dollars but could save you from making a 100,000.00 dollar mistake.
    Nate Hutchins
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    2018 1000 taps?
    20x36 sugarhouse
    CDL 600gph RO
    Franken evaporator, lapierre arch, smokylake pans and a leader hood with pre-heater.
    A wife and 2 kids.

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