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    I'm looking to get a new filter press for next season. Upgrading from an old cast iron full bank.

    I'd like to filter 50'ish gallons of syrup without breaking it down. Is there much of a difference in the presses between the different companies? They all look about the same to me other than stand and pump configuration.

    Thanks and I'll be poking around at the open houses in a couple of weeks.
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    One dealer mentioned the thickness of the plates as one difference between manufacturers. Thicker plates means more capacity. Out of curiosity, I'm considering a new press myself and I'd like to filter a similar amount at a time. Are you looking at 7" full banks, or 10" presses?
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    2018: 300 on vacuum 2 buckets, finally got a splitter!

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    My guess is that to do 50 gallons at one time you might need a 10 inch plate or a SIRO 24 inch? Not sure a 7 or 7 1/2 long bank plate press will consistently do 50 gallons? I would guess they can do about half of that. Of course your mileage may vary. Is your old press a 10 inch? I like my SIRO (12 inch) a lot.
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    i have a full bank 7" smokey lake and have been more than happy with it this year. have got into the high 40's before breaking it down, but that was because i was done for the night and done filtering not because it was plugged up. Through my experience i would have to say that it would def make 50-60+ gals consistently if not more. Its hard to say as this year i dont have too many trees. For the future i plan on having another full bank 7 inch that way can filter over 100+ gals without breaking down and could be cleaning one while using the other. Not sure why i dont just go to a 10" but i like the idea of the whole press being ss i guess.
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    I was thinking 7" full bank, but hadn't considered a 10" press thinking it'd be too big.

    I can get about 40 gal through my CI press before breaking it down...obviously depends on if it's early/late season syrup. I have a lot of plates...

    And, I want an air pump. It's what I have now, and I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber Gold View Post
    I was thinking 7" full bank, but hadn't considered a 10" press thinking it'd be too big.

    I can get about 40 gal through my CI press before breaking it down...obviously depends on if it's early/late season syrup. I have a lot of plates...

    And, I want an air pump. It's what I have now, and I like it.
    That's what the 3 of the dealers I talked to recommended, the full 7" that is. One guy suggested a short bank 10", which was priced pretty similarly. I don't know exactly how a full 7 and a short 10 compare for capacity. The guy recommending the 10 was suggesting the D&G said they sell them, H2O and maybe Wes Fab and that everyone who gets the D&g really likes them.
    Second generation sap rat.

    Started taking over in 2012
    2012-2016: 300 buckets 120 on gravity tubing. Waterloo 2x10 wood fired. Averaged 105 gallons per season.
    2017: hoping for 300 on 3/16 with Shurflo and 50 buckets. New used 4x14 Algier wood fired cooker. 180 gallons of syrup

    2018: 300 on vacuum 2 buckets, finally got a splitter!

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    I think that you could do 50 gallons through a 7.5 inch leader clear press, I have put 25 through my 5 plate press a few times this year and it still had room to spare, I don't exactly use the DE sparingly either.

    Whatever you buy I would recommend an air powered pump.
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    I also think a full 7" would work. I even got thru 30 gal on my final batch this year and I have 5 sets of plates on it. I don't know which, but I've seen some with thicker hollow plates, they would give you more capacity. Mine is a Lapierre and I think the hollow plates are about 1" thick. One thing is certain, an aluminum press will heat up much faster than the cast iron one you now have, I would think an SS would heat faster too, but not as fast as an aluminum.
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    Following! I'm thinking of upgrading presses too. I like the Leader clear press and saw a D&G press a couple of years ago that had much thicker plates than my Wes Fab. The syrup was a lot dirtier than usual here this season and my short bank press wasn't doing it for me.
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    My syrup changed a lot thru the season this year, more than usual. I went about 6 boils before I had to even clean the front pan, after that I needed to every day or 2. Then on March 30 I had to shut down mid boil to clean the front and back pan, after having cleaned both pans before the boil about 3 hrs earlier. After that I had to clean them every 3-5 hrs.
    This was the first year I've had to shut down mid boil to clean in less than 6 hrs boiling. Most of my boils are under 6 hrs, in fact most are only 3-4 hrs.
    For those first 6 boils I used a method I had last been able to use 8-10 years ago. There was lots of sugarsand but it stayed in suspension near the bottom (I don't have a bubbler). I just used a pump, sucked it up thru the pump and then back to the pan. On the outlet I used a cone pre-filter which caught most of the niter, then I just fired up and resumed boiling concentrate. I have only used that method 2 or maybe 3 seasons since 2003. I do it only when the niter is not building up on the bottom and just remains loose (like silt).
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, doing fewer each year, about 450 planned for 2020 (and after?)
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
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