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    Default Crappy Sap flows- eastern Ontario, will it every start before things get warm.

    Hello everyone, seems some of us larger commercial guys are having some bad sap flows this year. Perhaps others are having the same issues. Please share. Our sugarbush is 5 min north of Belleville in the Quinte District. This has been one of the worst sap flows we have ever seen. Yet the sugar is between 2.8-4.1 which is double what we normally see. The season would be a right off if it was at 1.6% like the last year. Currently we are sitting at 20% crop this year.
    2019 Upgraded to 2.5x12 Lapierre Force 5 & 600 RO (850 Taps + 400 Buckets)+ Buying sap
    2017 & 2018 Still Running about 815 taps
    2016 Added additional 75 Taps (800 total)
    2015 Tubing installed 700+ taps
    AirTech Vacuum Pump and CDL extractor
    20x36 Sugarhouse built (and still not big enough)
    250 CDL Hobby RO
    2014 2x8 Cross flow
    300 taps+
    450 Honda ATV
    2013 3x4 single pan
    50 taps
    40L Made last year off propane and one pan

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    Seems to be the same way here compared to last yr

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    Iím located in Campbellford and in the exact same boat. Iím sitting at 30% crop. High sugar content has been the only plus for the season so far for us as well. Fingers crossed that we get a couple good runs this week but beyond next weekend the weather does not look good. Im thinking at best I might get to 50% crop if Iím lucky. Not much more we can do but take what we can get. I really feel for those that this is a major part of their income.
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    Ditto here for me and I only do this as a hobby. Very low sap runs but about double the sugar. Making microbatches of 2l or less.
    Been tapping since 2008, but mostly unexceptional til recent years.
    2014 - 18 taps/6 trees, 407l sap, 19l syrup
    2015 - 18 taps/6 trees, 424l sap and 20.75l syrup
    2016 - 18 taps/6 trees..701l sap, 24l syrup
    2017 - 17 taps/6 trees...474l sap, 15.75l syrup
    2018 - 17 taps/7 trees...819l sap, approx 28l syrup
    2019 - 18 taps/8 trees...585l sap, 28l syrup...21:1 ratio

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    Same on the Bruce for me at least. I did 100 tap last season and it was not the best year either but I was overwhelmed with sap. This year running 65 Trees just not wanting to run when temps are right. I will be putting in 15-20 more first thing in the am to hopefully get the most out of what looks like the last week of the season.
    2017- first year 80 taps 22x36 home made arch and pan. Plus outside steamer pan setup.

    2018- ???taps same arch. New 8x12 sugar shack with additional 4 feet being added. Plan on setting up 2 gravity lines plus buckets. Prob around 100 taps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clamer33 View Post
    Hello everyone, seems some of us larger commercial guys are having some bad sap flows this year. Perhaps others are having the same issues. Please share. Our sugarbush is 5 min north of Belleville in the Quinte District. This has been one of the worst sap flows we have ever seen. Yet the sugar is between 2.8-4.1 which is double what we normally see. The season would be a right off if it was at 1.6% like the last year. Currently we are sitting at 20% crop this year.
    I'm north of you in Lanark. Also seeing low flow but much higher Brix. Wondering if it is because of the caterpillar damage last year? Some folks are not tapping trees to allow them to recover.

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    Agreed Paul - sap per tap is down (we're not even at 10 gallons per tap yet) but the high sugar content is more than making up for it! We got hammered by caterpillars the last 2 years and that will lower sugar content but something else is bringing the sugar levels up despite the damage. Spraying our woods helped minimize the damage but it was still noticeable.

    The long range forecast looks like we might be done by the start of Easter weekend but that could change.
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    I am with you. I'm in Huntsville, Muskoka and very poor flow so far. I have 100 trees tapped. We still have about 2 ft of snow in the bush. I am going out to tap another dozen trees if the rain let's up. I figure it may be worth a try if we get a day or two of good flow.

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    I am with you. I'm in Huntsville, Muskoka and very poor flow so far. I have 100 trees tapped. We still have about 2 ft of snow in the bush. I am going out to tap another dozen trees if the rain let's up. I figure it may be worth a try if we get a day or two of good flow.

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    Hi Folks

    Iím in Bancroft. I no sap after this weeks rain the snow base is down to 28Ē from 36Ē a week ago. 4Ē of snow yesterday. Less then 1000 litres off 157 taps over 2 weeks. Moths in the buckets yesterday. Looks like winter is going to run into summer and skip Spring again this year.
    Rob

    2017- 75 taps 21 liters of syrup, 20x48 sugar shack
    2018- 150 taps 35 litres syrup 2x6 Lappiere evap, Auf, hood and preheater
    2019- 300 taps?- 150 on buckets-150 on 3/16- the 3/16 still in the box due to time and weather this year- 43 liters syrup- tapped for week and a half
    Kawasaki Mule Pro FXT SXS on Tracks- sap hauler
    Wife and kids who like sugarín almost as much as me.

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