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    My method is to let the pans cool upon shut down. A couple of hours later I could drain the pan and add vinegar, but since I'm long gone by then, I drain and add white vinegar in the morning. My syrup pan is 3x3 and I only use 1 gal vinegar. I then use a weed burner torch to warm it from under the pan, heating it until a steam like vapor starts to come off it (the temp is likely just above luke warm). I then let it set for an hour or so. Then I use a gentle brush to check if all sugarsand has loosened. If yes, I drain, then I flush the pan by spraying hot permeate on all parts of the pan, drain and repeate 3-4 times. If the sugar sand is not all loose I either use a gentle scrub pad or I repeat the heat and wait cycle. It all depends on how much sugar sand is still stuck.
    My ratio is 100% vinegar, no permeate. Many however do use a 50/50 ratio. I just never tried adding permeate with the vinegar.
    When I'm spraying after the sugar sand is loose, I pump permeate thru my tankless water heater and using a hose spray nozzle I spray the pan with the permeate at about 120-130F. If I shut the spray off I turn the pump off, one time I forgot and the exploding hose sounded like a shotgun shot blast.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, doing fewer each year, about 450 planned for 2020 (and after?)
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    Awsome description. Thanks. Just what I was looking for. Guess I'll have to get hot water in the shanty next! Have you tried this mid season or too much risk of residue tainting syrup?
    2014 25 buckets, 55 gal collecting drum, cinder block arch, and 4 banquet pans = 4.75 gal
    2015 200 buckets, (3) 300 gal tanks, 9' home made arch, (2) 2'x4' flat pans @ 25 gph = 30 gal
    2016 stayed @ 200 buckets swapped flat for dropped n played with auf. 40 gph = 25 gal

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    I repeat every time the boil starts to show it is needed. I also use a nylon spatula and drag it along the bottom, if there is any drag on the spatula it's getting to be time to clean the pan.
    The need is not the same, some years I can go 4-7 days but that is rare indeed, other years it needs to be done every day. Sometimes I even need to shut down after 4-5 hrs boil and clean it then. If you can reverse the flow, that can help. The sugar sand will start to build up first in the channel nearest the draw off, if you reverse the flow, that will extend the time before you need to clean. At the end of a boil, always test the bottom using the spatula test, if you feel a drag, plan to clean the pan before your next boil.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, doing fewer each year, about 450 planned for 2020 (and after?)
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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    My first hot water was heated on a turkey fryer pot and burner, then I tried a small tankless heater from Sportsman's Guide. That heated well, but not as fast as I wanted, after 3 years or so on the little one I got 2 sizes bigger. The little one did just over 1 gal/minute to about 110F, my current one does 3.1 gpm to about the same temp, If I slow the flow just slightly, it can get to 130F.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, doing fewer each year, about 450 planned for 2020 (and after?)
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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