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    Default Using shopvac to create vacuum in storage tote as a temp solution

    So, I've got trees tapped and lines running into a couple of barrels. But I didn't think to much about the fact that the 1.2 gpm pump that I have isn't going to be effective for transferring 50 gallons of sap from the barrels to a tote. So now I'm considering a setup using my shop vac instead for this year.

    I'd run food safe tube (3/4" or 1") from the barrel to the tote. Use wood or plastic to seal the tube into the tote, sticking down 6"-8". Then run the hose for my shop vac into the top of the tote also, sealing the opening around the two hose and tube figuring the suction should evacuate the air from the tote first, then start pulling fluid from the barrel.

    My goal would of course be for none of the sap to ever come in contact with any part of the shopvac.

    Anything wrong with the concept that anyone can see?

    Anyone have a better and simpler (and close to free) idea? I'm within extension cord range from my house so I know I have a little bit more flexibility than if I was trying to do this with battery power.
    2019 - 61 taps, 20" x 66" mild steel pan, block arch (8 gallons of syrup)
    2018 - 7 taps in 5 Red Maples, 2 steam pans w/block arch (2 Gallons of syrup)
    2017 - I thought I preferred "Lite" Fake syrup over maple.

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    I think your tote would collapse before it drew any sap into it.
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    Mason 2x3 w/AUF
    2020 - added small vacuum and gravity 5/16 tubing and sap sacks
    N 42* 18' 31."
    W 79* 34' 15."
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    I think you'll burn up your shop vac also.

    I have the same setup as you, and use a bilge pump (never used in a bilge) to pump from barrel to tote. I realize it's not food grade, but never had any issues with taste, etc.
    Dave Barker
    2014 30 taps, steam tray pans
    2015 ~100 taps, in conjunction with University of Louisville
    2x5 Smoky Lake hybrid pan
    2022 150 taps

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    + 1 on the bilge pump, a Ruhl 800 or a reasonable copy is what I use to transfer all my stuff from barrel to barrel and to the head tank. It is kinda slow, but barrel to barrel I just start it and go do something else, the pumps are not affected by running dry. This season I may test a sump pump ( new ) as a faster transfer method, but it needs 110v. The sumps use 12v so you could run off a car or battery if needed.
    31 Taps in 2011 with buckets, Barrel evap
    45+ Taps for 2012 with buckets, 2x5 Dryer Arch with steel pans ! 8x11 Sugar Shack, Dump Stations,
    60 Taps for 2013- Insulated Dryer arch, AUF,
    2014 watched from sidelines...
    70 Taps for 2015 - dryer arch, new 2x5 divided pan from Smokey Lake with a float box !
    70 Taps for 2016 - added a preheater and new grates for the Dryerator.
    80 Taps for 2018 - Dryer arch got new front and door

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    I have the output of my bilge pump connected to a length of pvc pipe; the hose is then attached to the other end. This makes it easy to drop into a barrel and down to the bottom.
    Dave Barker
    2014 30 taps, steam tray pans
    2015 ~100 taps, in conjunction with University of Louisville
    2x5 Smoky Lake hybrid pan
    2022 150 taps

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    Bilge pump it is then. Thank-you!!
    2019 - 61 taps, 20" x 66" mild steel pan, block arch (8 gallons of syrup)
    2018 - 7 taps in 5 Red Maples, 2 steam pans w/block arch (2 Gallons of syrup)
    2017 - I thought I preferred "Lite" Fake syrup over maple.

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    Screenshot_20190312-182933_Messages.jpg

    Have been very impressed with this little pump especially for $14. Empties a 50gal barrel in a few minutes
    2019 40 taps on buckets,20 on bags. RO bucket, 5 gallon so far
    2018 41taps on buckets, 3.25 gallons syrup, Lots of learning
    Leader half pint w/supreme pan
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