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    Default Onondaga County / CNY

    I tapped late in the day on 2/21 as we had good weather then. Got a few good runs but have really only collected around 15-20 gallons. All frozen now. Hoping to get some good runs starting this weekend.

    I expanded and rebuilt my cinder block evaporator to hold 5 hotel pans up from 2. Also to hopefully draft better with an improved chimney design more on the ticket stove idea. Two years ago I didn't really have one and the syrup was a little smokey.

    First time posting..
    2017 - 5 gravity taps, 2 pan block arch, 1gallon syrup
    2019 - 18 gravity taps, 5 pan block arch, 4gallons

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    Welcome aboard, I'm over in Oneida, I can see the old Erie canal from my sugarhouse.
    The sap will start this weekend and will flow almost every day into April. You will be glad you added 3 more pans. Be ready for long boils and have your wood split about wrist size for a hotter burn. As long as you have sap in the pans there is no such thing as too hot. Just be sure to monitor the depth when the steam fills the air, it only takes a second from oh-oh to oh no.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, down to about 700 in '16, up to 1000 for 2019?
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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    Dan, where in Onondaga county are you? In the future (if you get bigger) you might want to check into the NGMP (Next Gen Maple Products) pans, they are made on Wilbur Rd, just off Manlius Center Road. 481 is in their back yard. They make some nice beginner size equipment at reasonable prices.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, down to about 700 in '16, up to 1000 for 2019?
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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    Thanks. I'm in the hills of Pompey.

    I'll keep that in mind. I would love to expand, but we'll have to see how things go. I myself don't have many more trees I can tap, but quite a few neighbors have mentioned it would be fine to tap there's and they've got 30-50 acres.

    In that case, I would of course need something more. I was looking at some RO ideas which seem fun to build yourself. I had been thinking of having my brother weld me up a better pan but I'll check into their pans etc too. Lots of fun to be had.
    2017 - 5 gravity taps, 2 pan block arch, 1gallon syrup
    2019 - 18 gravity taps, 5 pan block arch, 4gallons

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    Another idea, if needed in the future is to watch the classified ads on here, with various dealers and in The Maple News. Starting shortly after each season there are lots of used evaporators and pans for sale as producers get ready to expand and out grow what they have. I guess my biggest advice is to keep it fun, don't expand so fast that you no longer feel like it is still fun.
    As far as your brother welding a SS pan. You need to realize that welding a thin gauge pan is not that easy, but if your brother has experience welding SS it might work.Most pans are 20 ga at the thickest, the rest are 22 ga. ss. The thinner the SS the faster the boil.
    Last edited by maple flats; 04-03-2019 at 08:19 PM. Reason: typo
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, down to about 700 in '16, up to 1000 for 2019?
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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    Thanks for the tip. I saw some on Craigslist in the past seasons so you're right, not a bad idea. We'll see how this year goes and go from there. I'm freer this year with work, but that won't happen again so I'll have to figure something out like this or I'll have terrible keeping up.

    I'll see what my brother says about the stainless steel. But does the thickness matter that much? I understand it might help the metal heat up faster, but once hot, wouldn't thicker metal hold the heat better like a cast iron pan or a Dutch oven does?
    2017 - 5 gravity taps, 2 pan block arch, 1gallon syrup
    2019 - 18 gravity taps, 5 pan block arch, 4gallons

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    Not so you'd notice. The sap is pulling the heat out as fast as you put it in. SS is a poor conductor of heat, but SS is required now, that is why the evaporator companies all use 20 or 22 ga. Your syrup will boil harder in a 22 ga pan than a 16 ga pan, with the same fire under it. The maple companies do not use 22 ga to save money, they use it because it works best. If your brother wants to try, I understand the best welders use a form fitted heat sink to back up the weld. That help avoid burn thru.
    I'm not a welder, maybe some welders on here can chime in.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, down to about 700 in '16, up to 1000 for 2019?
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
    6.32 KW solar system, 1.48KW is battery backed up, all net metered
    http://s1041.photobucket.com/albums/...anssugarhouse/
    website: www.cnymaple.com

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