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    Default Transferring sap

    So I am curious those of you that transfer sap from one holding tank to another using a pump and hose. Are you using expensive potable water hose? or are you using a garden hose because the sap is going to be boiled at such a high temp?
    110 taps W.F Mason 2x3 and two turkey friers for finishing

    2011 expanding to a Mason 2x4 with a blower increasing taps to about 200
    2011 Hurricane Irene rips thru my small sugar bush cost me to lose 20% of taps
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    32 taps on 5/16 line with check valves
    57 taps on 3/16 line with check valves
    55 buckets with total tapped trees of 144

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    You should be using potable water rated hose. This is a must if you plan on selling the finished product.

    If it's just a hobby at the very least a new hose that is clean and hasn't been out in the shed or laying in the dirt for years.

    Check out Amazon you can get a 5/8" 25foot potable rated garden hoses for about 15 bucks.
    2017 25 taps on buckets got me hooked 1 gallon of sweet
    2018 51 taps on 3/16 tubing/ DIY oil tank evaporator 8.5gallons finished
    2019 tapped 1/26 aiming to beat last year

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    Everyhing we use is food grade, no excuses

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    Two problems with garden hose (and other such materials):

    1. Regrind material -- it could be made from old, recycled tires.
    2. Contamination from other things -- oils, lead, etc.

    In other case....those are not things that can be helped by boiling. In fact, the problems only get concentrated in the process.
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    if your using garden hose then they make a RV water hose that is potable water rated. I believe it's the only one that is white
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    RV hoses aren't all that much money, and work very well for some applications. The only problem I have had with them is sometimes the banding they use to strap the hose together for sale puts a crimp in the hose that is next to impossible to get out. Some brands do, and some don't. If you go to a store that is something you can look for, but ordering online you get what you get.
    Noel Good
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    2015: New to me Lapierre 18x60 raised flue, new shack, new everything!! 59 taps 23.75 gallons made
    2016: 85 taps 19 gallons
    2017: Purchased 2.5 acres and tubed half with 3/16. 145 taps total 49.25 gallons made
    2018: 200 taps (162 on 3/16ths 38 on buckets) New NextGen RO 63 gallons made
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    I use 3/4 main line with quick disconnect

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    i use dairy hose to move my sap, i get it from fleet farm you can buy it by the foot, i forget what it is a foot
    80 Taps and just as many trees

    2008 10 taps and milk jugs and turkey roasting pan
    2009 and 2010 15 taps , buckets and barrel set up
    2011 22 taps buckets and barrel set up and pre heater
    2012 25 taps buckets and barrel set up and pre heater
    2013 Who knows yet!!!!!
    2014 50 taps, buckets, bags and a better barrel set up with pre heater
    2015 80 taps, all bags, custom built arch with half pint pan
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    I just ordered some new 1-1/4 I.D. hose for my transfer remote pump. Its for potable water. smooth on the insde and clear.

    https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/it...3579&catid=571

    https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/it...4604&catid=571

    I know I should have orderd the 1 inch hose. But my fittings were set up with 1-1/4 som I was being lazy. 1 inch would have been lighter to handle.

    I will try to post some info on how it works.
    Regards,
    Chris
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    Too many Cub Cadets
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    Do not use garden hose, even for home use only syrup. You have choices. Maybe the lowest cost one might be the black poly pipe. Just use a size appropriate for the amount of sap and the pump you are moving. If time matters, 1 size larger than the pump gets far better performance in GPM from the pump. That black poly pipe is for potable water and you can get it in a few different lengths. Pull it tight and let the sun warm it and it straightens out well. Try not to kink it, even after removing the kink it could be a leak. It will be far cheaper than potable water hose, but that can also be used. I have that for my permeate hose from my RO to my permeate tank. Actually, I have 2 lines that I use, one the white hose, directly to the permeate tank and a second one is a short white hose to a pump that feeds my tankless hot water heater and any not used for hot water flows to a 10 gal tank in my ceiling then an overflow runs out of that tank thru 3/4" maple tubing to the permeate tank. When I run the RO I just choose which white hose to connect to the RO.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, down to about 700 in '16, up to 1000 for 2019?
    2012 Mahindra 36 HP 4x4/ loader/cab/heat/AC:-)
    added a gooseneck equipment trailer and F350 to tow it to haul more sap
    3x8 raised flue evaporator
    250 GPH converted to electric, RO by Ray Gingerich
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