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    Default Iron Pipe or PVC from Vac Pump To Releaser?

    I'm getting ready to set up a new AirTech L25 vac pump and wonder if anyone has a recommendation for interior pipe.
    My plan is to install the pump in my boat-wood shop with the releaser and water trap in the sugar house about 80' away. I want to use blue 1" mainline between the shop and the sugar house. I'll have the pipes from the pump and releaser run up the wall, and then exit to the outside. From there, I need some sort of connector (cam-lock...fernco) to connect the 80' of flexible 1" tube, between the shop to the sugar house. I'd prefer to be able to remove the 1" tube in the off-season.

    Any suggestions for this connection, and for the interior pipe? Other than being easy to work with, are there any pros-cons in using PVC or ABS vs. iron pipe?
    Thanks - John

    PS If Fred is listening, tell him I really like my Leader Clear Filter Press...<grin>
    John Allin

    14x18 Hemlock Timber Frame Sugar House 2009
    Leader 2x6 w/Patriot Raised Flue Pan 2009
    Leader Steam Hood 2014 - Clear Filter Press 2015
    Leader Revolution Pan and SS Pre-Heater 2016
    CDL Hobby RO & Air Tech L25 Hi Vac Pump 2019
    06' Gator HPX to collect wood & sap
    14' Ski-Doo Tundra for winter work in the woods
    Great Family 3 grown kids+spouses and 7 grand kids who like the woods
    7th Gen Born in Canada - Raised in Chardon Ohio - Maple Capital of the World..<grin>.

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    The L25 produces 21 CFM at the pump. There is no chart number for a 21 CFM pump but,according to the NEW York State Vacuum book, the vacuum reduction for 100' using 1" pipe on a 15 CFM pump is down to 13 CFm, (-15%) but on a 30 CFM pump, the reduction is down to 19 CFM (-35%). Depending how many CFM's you need, you might consider 1 1/2" pipe that loses -3% for a 15 CFM pump and -7% on a 30 CFM pump.

    Joe
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    2006- 590 taps on gravity and buckets 300 gph RO
    2009- 845 taps on vacuum no buckets, 600 gph RO
    2010- 925 taps on vacuum new 2 stage vacuum pump
    2014- 3045 taps on vacuum, new 1200 gph RO
    2015- 3104 taps on vacuum
    2017- 3213 taps on vacuum
    3' x 10' oil fired evaporator with steamaway

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    Don't starve the vacuum, 2" is called for, (but 1.5" would be close, with 2" you'd likely lose almost none, on 1.5" maybe 5%) PVC is fine and it can be set up to remove in the summer.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    We ran 1 1/2" about 725' to one releaser and will be using 2" to go about 1200' to the second releaser. I think for the cost buy a 100' roll (rolls are often cheaper than 75% or more of a full roll) of 1 1/2" and run it. You can use a variety of fittings to connect. The Banjo would likely be the easiest for connecting. The other choice would be a PVC Union. We have some banjos on our mainline and the PVC Unions at our releaser.

    Mike
    Tapping since 1985 (four generations back to early to mid 1900s). 200-250 taps on buckets and then tubing in the mid 90s. 2013- 275 taps w/sap puller 25 gal. 2014-295 taps w/sap puller 55 ga. (re-tapped to vacuum theory) 2015-330 taps full vac. 65 gal, 2016-400 taps 105 gal, 2017-400 taps 95 gal. 2018-additional 800' mainline and maybe 400 new taps for a total near 800 taps. 2x6 Leader WSE (last year on it) supported by a 250 gph RO.

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    Thanks to all of you, those are the answers I was looking for. Although I have some 1", after reading your replies, it will be 1½ mainline between the buildings, with PVC for the balance.
    John Allin

    14x18 Hemlock Timber Frame Sugar House 2009
    Leader 2x6 w/Patriot Raised Flue Pan 2009
    Leader Steam Hood 2014 - Clear Filter Press 2015
    Leader Revolution Pan and SS Pre-Heater 2016
    CDL Hobby RO & Air Tech L25 Hi Vac Pump 2019
    06' Gator HPX to collect wood & sap
    14' Ski-Doo Tundra for winter work in the woods
    Great Family 3 grown kids+spouses and 7 grand kids who like the woods
    7th Gen Born in Canada - Raised in Chardon Ohio - Maple Capital of the World..<grin>.

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    Well I'm almost finished with the releaser, water trap and vacuum pump. I've seen pictures of flexible hose used between the water trap and releaser and it looks like a great application in my case.
    Does anyone know where to find flexible hose that's 2 3/8" ID to match the OD of the 2" coming off the releaser? Thanks John
    John Allin

    14x18 Hemlock Timber Frame Sugar House 2009
    Leader 2x6 w/Patriot Raised Flue Pan 2009
    Leader Steam Hood 2014 - Clear Filter Press 2015
    Leader Revolution Pan and SS Pre-Heater 2016
    CDL Hobby RO & Air Tech L25 Hi Vac Pump 2019
    06' Gator HPX to collect wood & sap
    14' Ski-Doo Tundra for winter work in the woods
    Great Family 3 grown kids+spouses and 7 grand kids who like the woods
    7th Gen Born in Canada - Raised in Chardon Ohio - Maple Capital of the World..<grin>.

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