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    I have a few cups of unfiltered syrup that's too little to bother filtering and I'd rather not waste it. I'm thinking of using it for the next time I make lollipops or add it into my next batch of sugar. I figure those are two things I make that go to really high temps and I'm making lots of niter in the syrup anyway. Will the unfiltered syrup have any ill effects on the lollipops or sugar?
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    next time you filter dip up some of that nitre out of the filter and taste it......I'll bet you don't want it in anything your going to eat.

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    How about just letting it sit and settle out. Given time it should be clear as a bell.
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    How much are you calling a few cups? If it's a half gallon or so set up a simple cone filter over a stock pot. Four or five pieces of Orlon pre-filter paper will filter out enough of the nitre to make the syrup usable.
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    If you are talking lets say a quart of maybe even only a pint I would use a mason jar and let it set for a while and let the sugar sand settle out and then either carefully pouring the good syrup off.
    I would only then use it for sugar or maybe for coating nuts.

    But I would try and remove as much as possible.
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    A while back there was a post (I think it may have been by Dr Tim) listing some of the components in niter. Some were best not in what anyone eats.
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    So niter/sugar sand has stuff in it that we should not eat but the components that are used to produce niter/sugar sand are in maple sap naturally???

    It would be interesting to see and read that article.
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    Some of what ends up in niter is what gets into that sap after it leaves the tree, that is what I'm referring to. As long as a tree is healthy the sap is not the source. In my search I find a reference where Drs Timothy Perkins and Abby van den Berg. I'm not sure where it takes you
    Timothy D. Perkins and Abby K. van den Berg, Chapter 4 Maple Syrup—Production, Composition, Chemistry, and Sensory Characteristics, , 10.1016/S1043-4526(08)00604-9, (101-143), (2009).
    Crossref.
    Maybe Dr Tim will chime in on this. I just recall it was not suggested you eat it. If I'm wrong Dr. Tim will correct me.
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    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Thanks for the input. It really is between 2-3 cups - not enough to truly filter, but enough to make a few batches of lollipops or something else. It's not sludge, just hazy. It was filtered off the evaporator, but is the result of a bottling mishap. Decanting it in a jar is easy enough and that's what I'll do.

    It crossed my mind to see if it can be used for lollipops or sugar because both of those go to super high temps. The lollipops go to 295 deg., so I was thinking that I'm already creating niter in that syrup when I bring it up that high. Then it got me thinking about when I throw broken pieces of candy into the next batch. That syrup got cooked way past 190 the first time.

    Anyway, just the stuff you think about when you are standing at the stove.
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    Maple Flats I understand what you are talking about now. Your talking about The stuff that leaches out of anything that may come in contact with the sap or while it is being boiled.
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