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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatetreehugger View Post
    That's what I thought but wanted to check. Would that be considered a good ratio?
    Not incredible, but not bad at all. On buckets you can figure .25 gallons per tap as an average. Vacuum should double that to .5, but that's just a rule of thumb number. Some tubing systems in some woods may never get to that amount, and some buckets on big old roadside trees may make more than half a gallon every year consistently. Lots of variables involved.
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    2017: hoping for 300 on 3/16 with Shurflo and 50 buckets. New used 4x14 Algier wood fired cooker. 180 gallons of syrup

    2018: 300 on vacuum 2 buckets, finally got a splitter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motowbrowne View Post
    Not incredible, but not bad at all. On buckets you can figure .25 gallons per tap as an average. Vacuum should double that to .5, but that's just a rule of thumb number. Some tubing systems in some woods may never get to that amount, and some buckets on big old roadside trees may make more than half a gallon every year consistently. Lots of variables involved.
    If that was you that called Ryan....I'll get you called mid-week. You said it about the variables. One big variable is tree size and number of taps. When you have people putting 2 and 3 taps in 10" trees, as well as tapping 5 and 6" trees, they will be lucky to get a pint per tap.

    My dads first cousin told of stories back in the 50's of getting 40 gallons from 40 taps over the season.......the trees were all big, large and in the cow pasture.
    Mark

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    I can tell you sugar content is a huge variable.....I had low sugar and made .18 gpt. I had plenty of sap just needed sugar

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    Quote Originally Posted by markcasper View Post
    If that was you that called Ryan....I'll get you called mid-week. You said it about the variables. One big variable is tree size and number of taps. When you have people putting 2 and 3 taps in 10" trees, as well as tapping 5 and 6" trees, they will be lucky to get a pint per tap.

    My dads first cousin told of stories back in the 50's of getting 40 gallons from 40 taps over the season.......the trees were all big, large and in the cow pasture.
    That was me Mark. No hurry. I'll talk to you soon.
    Second generation sap rat.

    Started taking over in 2012
    2012-2016: 300 buckets 120 on gravity tubing. Waterloo 2x10 wood fired. Averaged 105 gallons per season.
    2017: hoping for 300 on 3/16 with Shurflo and 50 buckets. New used 4x14 Algier wood fired cooker. 180 gallons of syrup

    2018: 300 on vacuum 2 buckets, finally got a splitter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissville maples View Post
    ... I have alot of cluster reds and small trees I should cut but tap instead, these I get about .28 out of.
    Thin them out. Within about 5-10 yrs you'll tap half as many (lower cost and less time) and get about double the yield.
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    Looks like we ended with 0.20 Finished gallon per tap. Hopefully do better next year.


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    I don't recall where, but I recently read the way a large producer does his expansions. He works to get 1/2 gal/tap on what he has before add more taps.
    Dave Klish about 1320 taps in '15, down to about 700 in '16, up to 1000 for 2019?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maple flats View Post
    I don't recall where, but I recently read the way a large producer does his expansions. He works to get 1/2 gal/tap on what he has before add more taps.
    That is a good way of thinking.
    Mark

    Where we made syrup long before the trendies made it popular, now its just another commodity.

    John Deere 4000, 830, and 420 crawler
    1400 taps, 600 gph CDL RO, 4x12 wood-fired Leader, forced air and preheater. 400 gallon Sap-O-Matic vacuum gathering tank, PTO powered. 2500 gallon X truck tank, 17 bulk tanks.
    No cage tanks allowed on this farm!

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