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    Default Using vacuum to bring sap to sugar house

    I've heard of a couple people doing this, and I'm looking for some information on it, our tanks are approximately 2500 feet from the sugar house and it would be approximately a 50 foot rise
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    Are you able to get to the collection tank and pump it the 2500' to the shack. You could install mainline wire and run a 1" -1 1/2" transfer line and pump it up and let it run/pump back to the shack tank.

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    I'm assuming that the collection tank is at the bottom of the 50' rise. I believe Lapierre has a vacuum powered sap pump that might do what you want.

    I have a similar situation where my collection tank is 1500' from the sugar house and there is a 50' elevation change. I ran a 1.25" pipe from the tank to the sugar house and used a 2" gas powered pump to pump the sap up the hill. The biggest problems with that are that if it's below freezing the sap will freeze in the pipe before it gets to the sugar house and the pipe holds about 125 gallons of sap. It takes about a half hour for it to drain back. I got a bigger tractor and pump the sap into a tank on a trailer and haul it up the hill that way now. It turns out that I can haul two loads up to the sugar house faster than I could pump the sap up the hill and drain the pipe.
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    That's what we are currently doing now, and from talking to a few people I think that is the way to keep doing it, I dont have any power down in the woods and we are using all 3/16 so there isn't any vacuum down there either, was just trying to save some time
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    H20 7.5 1200 Econox for 2018 added 2nd membrane for 2020
    H2O 10" filter press half bank
    H2O 2430 gallon storage tank
    700+ 5/16 on vacuum, 1000+ on 3/16

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    Generator and deep well submersible in a pvc vessel, that is how we are doing it. Not as much distance, we only pump 1600'. There is a thread on long distance sap pumping where I picked up some info when setting ours up. There is another on pumping into vacuum also I believe. Our vacuum pump is at the sugarhouse so we could use the vacuum to assist our pumping, but we don't have the spare releaser....and figured for $1000+ we could buy a generator and a pump. But lots of guys are doing it.
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    Do you have any pictures of your setup?
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    H2O 10" filter press half bank
    H2O 2430 gallon storage tank
    700+ 5/16 on vacuum, 1000+ on 3/16

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    Took this one last year, and it's the only one I have currently. I'll take a few more next time I'm at the sugar House
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMapleMoose View Post
    Generator and deep well submersible in a pvc vessel, that is how we are doing it. Not as much distance, we only pump 1600'. There is a thread on long distance sap pumping where I picked up some info when setting ours up. There is another on pumping into vacuum also I believe. Our vacuum pump is at the sugarhouse so we could use the vacuum to assist our pumping, but we don't have the spare releaser....and figured for $1000+ we could buy a generator and a pump. But lots of guys are doing it.
    What hp pump are you using?
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    06DB2BD6-13EF-426A-AC5A-F6D5134EAC71.jpgWith this mes releaser we pump sap 2800’ with a 60’ rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMapleMoose View Post
    Took this one last year, and it's the only one I have currently. I'll take a few more next time I'm at the sugar House
    Does that work on a float switch or do you manually operate it?
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