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    Default New vs used ro

    Hey all,

    A ro is on my mind for next season as I can continue to expand taps but cant dedicate a lot more time to boiling. My max taps would be in the realm of 300. I would like to keep this in a budget of 2-3k. So basically that leaves my options somewhat limited to used or 100gph new like nextgen maple or similar brand. Not looking to build a unit.

    In terms of used ro what should I look for. What should I stay away from?
    Camp Wokanda
    Peoria Park District

    2023 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, sap storage shack w/ 1100 gallon tank - 123 gallons
    2022 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, homemade vac filter & water jacket canner - 104 gallons
    2021 - 215 on 3/16 shurflo, added 2nd membrane to RO - 78 gallons
    2020 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, upgraded hp pump on RO - 66 gallons
    2019 - 150 on 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 on 3/16 shurflo, 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons

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    honestly i bought a used waterguy RO in your price range that was in good shape and seemed like a good starter unit. for the same kind of reason, i wanted more taps but didn`t want to boil more or get a bigger evap, but i could take the time to tend the machine while doing other things. reading thru MT about RO`s made me think it was super hard to take care of... i was wrong, i learned the basics qiuckly and all i could think is why didn`t i do this from the start. once you take the leap, you will be amazed at the amount of sap you can process i a shorter amount of time.
    2x6 leader WSE with AUF, hood,preheater
    waterguy RO
    leader 16 gal custom water jacketed canner
    10 in short stack wes fab filter press
    540 taps on tubing with vac & always adding
    2- benders running 25" hg from GAST vac pumps
    few stainless bulk tanks
    1978 chevy 1 ton 4x4 dually
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    I also bought a used water guy ro last year and used it for the 2017 season and loved it after you are comfortable with it you will be amazed by what it can save you in boiling time /wood etc. Mine is rated for 300 gals/hr and it did that all of last season. so this year I,m going from 400 to 500 taps as I think this will about max it and me out. Also all but 50 taps will be on shurflo pumps and 3/16 tubing. just started tapping yesterday lots of snow in norther wis

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    I have nothing against used, as long as it is in good condition, but I bought new when I couldn't seem to find a good used one.
    Before you get an RO, they seem to sound difficult, but once you use it for a few boils you will learn quickly what to do and when to do it. Then you will never again ever want to boil without an R.O.
    After you have used the R.O. for 2 weeks it will all be second nature.
    When I got mine, I went from 650 taps and had to sell sap the year before because we were boiling 21 hrs a day and couldn't catch up, then with the RO, I doubled my taps and still processed sap for others on shares. All that and burned less wood.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    I was also a little intimidated by the clean-up of the RO before I got one, but it is very much a non-issue.
    Noel Good
    1998 to 2009: 15 taps on buckets, scavenged fire pit and pans
    2010: New 2x4 SS flat pan w/preheater
    2015: New to me Lapierre 18x60 raised flue, new shack, new everything!! 59 taps 23.75 gallons
    2016: 85 taps 19 gallons
    2017: Purchased 2.5 acres and tubed half with 3/16. 145 taps total 49.25 gallons
    2018: 200 taps (162 on 3/16ths 38 on buckets) New NextGen RO 63 gallons
    2019: 210 taps 73.5 gallons
    2023: 210 taps 89.75 gallons
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    A brand new Deer Run 125 is right in that range and he's only a day's drive away from you. I also searched for used, but that market is really unpredictable. You're looking for a very desirable size at a very specific time. So, I went with Ray's unit. Not a second of regret. Maple Flats has been using his Deer Run for even longer and he can vouch for his as well. Save a little by buying over the summer. Pick up in person and he'll show you how to run it before you go. Actually, he prefers to show people how to use it because it saves him time on the phone later.
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    Around 300 taps on tubing, 25+ on buckets if I put them out
    Mix of natural and mechanical vac, S3 Controller from Mountain Maple
    2x6 W.F. Mason with Phaneuf pans
    Deer Run 250 RO
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    Keeping the day job until I can start living the dream.

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    Can you guys with the Deer Run unit post some pictures? I am slightly intimidated by an RO, but I need one for next year. The local CDL dealer is having their open house end up April and it will be the best time/price to order their Hobby unit. But the talk of these Deer Run & the Next Gen Maple units are sounding like great options and much more affordable for us then the CDL unit.


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    100 Taps on gravity

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    When looking at ro units, make sure you know the output of concentrate. With these small units, 2 machines rated @ 100g/hr may have different sugar output %. Lot of difference going from 2% to 4 % at 100g/hr input. Vs going from 2% to 6%or 8% at the same flow rate.
    2008 4 buckets
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    2016 1300 vac tubing
    18x24 sugar shack
    2x6 Grimm Lightning w/preheater on natural gas
    7" full bank press
    CDL 600 RO
    2000 Sonoma w/ 200gal tank
    2003 Duramax w/ 500 gal tank
    2 sap guzzling kids
    very patient wife!

    Same ol' addiction

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    In general how long will a membrane last if it is well taken care of?
    Camp Wokanda
    Peoria Park District

    2023 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, sap storage shack w/ 1100 gallon tank - 123 gallons
    2022 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, homemade vac filter & water jacket canner - 104 gallons
    2021 - 215 on 3/16 shurflo, added 2nd membrane to RO - 78 gallons
    2020 - 210 on 3/16 shurflo, upgraded hp pump on RO - 66 gallons
    2019 - 150 on 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 on 3/16 shurflo, 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons

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    I definitely would recommend a Deer Run RO. We have had our unit for four seasons and the membranes work as good as when new. Biggest thing is to follow daily cleaning instructions and you will not have any problem. Ray used to have a colored brochure that he would send customers. Might give him a call and leave a message with your address so he can send you one. This time of year he is busy with syrup so you need to leave a message.
    Gary
    16' X 24' Sugarhouse
    2' X 6' Leader Inferno Arch with Revolution Raised-Flue Pans, Smoky Lake preheater and hood
    Deer Run Maple gas-powered 250 RO
    WesFab 7" filter press
    Kubota 1100 RTV with tracks and 125 gallon tank for transporting sap
    800 taps on gravity and vacuum
    Very supportive wife who is the best coworker
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