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    Default The Magic Machine the RO!

    This is 290 gal of sap I added 15gal as it was running!image.jpg All that water on the right over 200gal out in just under 4hrs! It's at about 6-7 sugar I may try to squeeze a little more out while I plow the almost foot of snow. Now I can pile it up to to store what may run this week n so on.
    2021 95 taps all on 3/16' natural gravity 2018 home built 4x40 RO 2017 1000 sap 15gal syrup 4 runs of 3/16 natural vac 1 of 5/16 2016 775gal of sap made 12gal syrup 2015 18.5 gal about 55 taps. Have the best wife! cub cadet volunteer 4x4 sap hauler

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    That’s awesome, what size RO do you have?


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    2015- 3x4 flat pan over brick "arch" outside
    2016- Same pan with homemade arch outside
    2017- 2x6 new to me evaporator setup outside
    2018- Same setup, started to build a shack
    2019- homemade single post 4x40 RO and finally in a sugar shack!
    We are improving little by little each year, part of the fun!

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    I am on the fence about getting a bigger evaporator next year, or trying to figure out the logistics of how to run a RO here with what I got going on here with space and time. I am not all that interested in increasing tap count any more, but rather decreasing boiling time. Just as I begin leaning one way a post like this pulls me back the other way. lol
    Noel Good
    1998 to 2009: 15 taps on buckets, scavenged fire pit and pans
    2010: New 2x4 SS flat pan w/preheater
    2015: New to me Lapierre 18x60 raised flue, new shack, new everything!! 59 taps 23.75 gallons made
    2016: 85 taps 19 gallons
    2017: Purchased 2.5 acres and tubed half with 3/16. 145 taps total 49.25 gallons made
    2018: 200 taps (162 on 3/16ths 38 on buckets) New NextGen RO 63 gallons made
    2019: 210 taps 73.5 gallons made
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    Well here it is,I started the RO last night it's a 4x40 membrane (home built with some great help) at 4:30 ran for 4hrs on a tank of sap 290gal ran it for 1 hr this am that broke down to 40 gal then collected another 150gal started the RO on that tank fired the evaporator up at 1pm today and just came in at 8:30 with 7gal of syrup!! the RO is a must for me! Now wait till I go collect Monday I'm sure it ran today. It's a Big time saver for sure! but one of the biggest is the amount of wood not burned! So I had a total of 440 gal of sap into 7gal of syrup in just 30 hrs and I slept last night.So my ratio was 62.85gal/1gal syrup.So what it's able to do is about 5-6gal of water removed/minute or 60gal/hour about!
    Last edited by 5050racing; 02-18-2018 at 07:55 PM.
    2021 95 taps all on 3/16' natural gravity 2018 home built 4x40 RO 2017 1000 sap 15gal syrup 4 runs of 3/16 natural vac 1 of 5/16 2016 775gal of sap made 12gal syrup 2015 18.5 gal about 55 taps. Have the best wife! cub cadet volunteer 4x4 sap hauler

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    Quote Originally Posted by wnybassman View Post
    I am on the fence about getting a bigger evaporator next year, or trying to figure out the logistics of how to run a RO here with what I got going on here with space and time. I am not all that interested in increasing tap count any more, but rather decreasing boiling time. Just as I begin leaning one way a post like this pulls me back the other way. lol
    When I was younger and eager to expand I had to decide between getting an RO which wasn't very popular in 2004 or getting a bigger evaporator. If I was to get a bigger evaporator I would have to rebuild my sugar house so that it would fit and then buy the evaporator. If I went with the RO (which I did) I would have to build a small heated room and add a 30 amp 220 volt circuit to my electrical panel. The RO room, electrical upgrade and new RO cost about $6000. The bigger evaporator, a 3x8, was $10000 and the renovation to the sugar house unknown. As the years have passed my only regret has been that I didn't get a bigger RO. Get an RO you will wonder why you didn't get one sooner.
    Russ

    "Red Roof Maples" Where the term "boiling soda" was first introduced to the maple producing world!

    Algier 2x6 evaporator, W F Mason arch
    Lapierre 250 Turbo RO machine
    SP-22 vacuum pump
    1930 Ford Model AA Doodlebug tractor
    1971 IH 454 52hp diesel tractor
    A couple of Honda 4 wheelers
    About a dozen chainsaws and no chickens

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    So true as I'm learning Russell,I'm very small scale compared to some but with all of the other things I do I'm so pleased to have made the right decision for me.Just the savings in the time to prepare the wood pile is worth it.Now I should have enough wood left to heat the house LOL !!
    2021 95 taps all on 3/16' natural gravity 2018 home built 4x40 RO 2017 1000 sap 15gal syrup 4 runs of 3/16 natural vac 1 of 5/16 2016 775gal of sap made 12gal syrup 2015 18.5 gal about 55 taps. Have the best wife! cub cadet volunteer 4x4 sap hauler

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    Just an FYI that as soon as you ro raw sap u need to boil it or it will spoil quickly. Remember you are concentrating everything that is in that sap, from the sugar to the backteria
    FIRST GENERATION SUGARMAKER
    First boil 2/22/2012! Went Pefect!
    3,500' of laterals
    1,000' of mainline
    2012 - 105 taps on gravity, 12 sap sacks.
    2013 - 175 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks = 200 taps for 2013! Second year.
    2014 - 250 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks
    Tapped on February 16, 2014
    2015 - adding vac sap puller no more gravity for me!
    275 gallon holding tank for 2014
    20'x30' Sugarhouse

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    Yes on boil ASAP that's a great point and there is some extensive cleaning flushing nothing is that easy there always more to it but not bad
    Last edited by 5050racing; 02-19-2018 at 01:47 PM.
    2021 95 taps all on 3/16' natural gravity 2018 home built 4x40 RO 2017 1000 sap 15gal syrup 4 runs of 3/16 natural vac 1 of 5/16 2016 775gal of sap made 12gal syrup 2015 18.5 gal about 55 taps. Have the best wife! cub cadet volunteer 4x4 sap hauler

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    First year we ran our R/O was mid season when I bought it. My wife's comment, " it is so nice to have a life during sugaring again" While boil all day and go thru a lot of fuel when the R/O does us power but get rid of a lot of water.

    Best money we have ever spent. Went to a bigger R/O this year to try to get some life back again. At least until we add more taps.

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    Default Problems with RO

    The RO doesn't make syrup but it sure makes it a lot easier to do so. With my small operation, using a flat pan 2x3 evaporator, my max boiling rate is about 7GPM. Especially with my low sugar content sap, I couldn't make reasonable amounts of syrup without the RO. It does take almost as long to wash the RO as it does to run it, but that can be done while I am boiling. It is a capital investment, but so is a larger arch. I priced a new flue pan for my evaporator, which might double or triple my boil rate - it was almost 2x what it cost to build the RO. Its all about spending the money efficiently to get the biggest bang for the buck.

    If you tap red maples like I do, and your sugar content is low, the RO especially makes sense. I have to remove 1/2 the water from my sap just to get what most folks start with. That's a lot of time and energy (wood) with an arch. It used to take me a whole day just to process 80 gallons of sap. Now I do 3-4x that amount in less time. This year I am finding that I am wishing for more sap, which usually doesn't happen at this point in the season. Oh well, need to do more taps next year. That's the REAL problem with the RO, makes you want to expand the operation.

    Cheers
    John

    All red maples:
    2013/4 - A few taps and propane burner
    2015 - 54 taps on bags and buckets, 2x3 Mason evaporator - 3.5 gallons syrup finished and bottled
    2016 - 72 taps on home-built vacuum/mainline system, home built RO (2 - 2.5 x 21 membranes) - 9+ gallons syrup finished and bottled
    2017 - 91 taps on home built vacuum system in heated sap shack, home built RO (40 inch membrane), 13 gallons syrup, dreaming of building sugarshack this year...

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