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    3rd year tapping. I tapped some new woods and ran my first lines this year. 75 taps on 3/16...3 lines. After collecting 200 gallons+ and finishing with just over 2 gallons, I started to wonder what type of maple trees I was dealing with. I tested the sap and it's barely 1%.

    Attached are some pictures. Are these Black Maples? I was told Black Maples are good sugar producers.

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    Could I expect my sugar to rise as the season progresses or is 1% all I can expect from these trees? I'm 400 gallons of sap into the season and only made 4 gallons. I'm only selling a small batch to cover cost...the rest will be for family and friends....so its not a huge concern. I might need to build an RO setup for next season to help.

    Thanks!
    Steve

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    Very cool, I've never heard of tapping black maple! Maybe PM Dr Tim Perkins, he's the expert.

    ETA: Maybe they are good producers, in terms of volume. That doesn't necessarily mean a high sugar content, though.
    Been tapping since 2008.
    2018 - 17 taps/7 trees...819l sap, approx 28l syrup
    2019 - 18 taps/8 trees...585l sap, 28l syrup...21:1 ratio
    2020 - 18 taps/8 trees...890.04l sap...gave away about 170l, 30l snafu'd....23l total for me from approx 690l
    2021 - 18 taps/8 trees...395l sap, 12 l syrup
    2022 - 18 taps/8 trees....7 sugars 1 red due to #2 having surgery so had the season off....582l sap, 18.5l syrup
    2023 - 18 taps/8 trees...all sugars again. 807l sap, so far approx 14l syrup

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    Black maples are supposed to be up with Sugar maples, but only if they have a good top. It's the leaves that make the sugar. What diameter is the tree in the picture? it looks too small for 2 taps just judging the spile size related to the tree trunk. On gravity a tree should be at least 18" diameter to get 2 taps, about 20"+ if on vacuum. I don't put 2 taps until 23-24".
    As the freeze thaw cycles become more frequent, the sugar does go up.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    It's mostly around 18". I measured an 18" tree...hugged it, then just went from there. (treehugger...I know...haha)

    I'm glad you mentioned the tops. I guess I never really knew that. My trees are close together and the tops probably aren't huge. They are on the edge of a field and get lots of sun, so they run really well.

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    Many of my trees that I tap here are black maples. Except for a different leaf, they are nearly indistinguishable from sugar maples. Black maples and sugar maples hybridize and create a tree that looks somewhere between them. Generally the sugar content and sap production are identical. Some literature indicates that black maples grow slightly slower than sugars.
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    2023: 140 taps, buckets, 32 gallons
    2019: 100 taps, buckets, 45 gallons
    2018: 100 taps, buckets, 31 gallons
    2017: 100 taps, buckets, 15 gallons
    2015: 100 taps, buckets, 34 gallons
    2014: 100 taps, buckets, 30 gallons
    2013: 100 taps, buckets, 52 gallons

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