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    It's my understanding that the FDA registration is more about tracing a food products source in the event of tainted product. You agree to supply contact information and location(s).

    It is not an endorsement by the FDA, the operator agrees to allow inspection if requested. I filled one out in '15 and received a reg number. I understood that to imply that if I sold product, I was willing to have someone look over what we do or at least be prepared to have "visitors" if someone got ill due to our syrup...

    I'm not a fan of bigger government, or more regulation. But I do like the fact that in this country we have standards established to ensure that our grandkid's formula isn't produced in a re-purposed heating oil tank! Bottom line is that if you're producing a product for human consumption - it's either made right or it isn't. If I need surgery, it's good to know that the Dr. has spent the time and resources to learn his craft...Any thing less is akin to the fox guarding the hen house.

    Not trying to stir things up, but the maple industry has lots of professionals who have invested heavily in sanitary best practice equipment and methods who compete with semi-pro hobbyists. Selling farm gate or at the sugar house is one thing, selling mainstream opens up another can of worms. My 2¢.
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    Agreed, safe food is important. Regulations, low bulk prices, expensive equipment....Maybe its time to go back to 50 buckets and a beer.
    3x8 Algier Evaporator. 600 gph Lapierre RO. 10" Filter press. We buy sap.

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    What about those that just sell sap? Will there be any registration requirement for them?
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    Tapping the same trees my great, great and great grandfathers tapped.

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    Since sap is not the final product, I would think not.
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    Leader Revolution Pan and SS Pre-Heater 2016
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    7th Gen Born in Canada - Raised in Chardon Ohio - Maple Capital of the World..<grin>.

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    I registered in late 2015, but since I sell most of my syrup retail I haven't needed it yet. As things change, for what Commercial I sell, I may need it, I retail everything else.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maple flats View Post
    I registered in late 2015, but since I sell most of my syrup retail I haven't needed it yet. As things change, for what Commercial I sell, I may need it, I retail everything else.
    I am not sure in your state, but in Wisco., if you sell to one store you must have a food processing license, and therefore would have to be registered with the FDA. If you sell all of it direct to the consumer, then you wouldn't have to.
    Mark

    Where we made syrup long before the trendies made it popular, now its just another commodity.

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    No cage tanks allowed on this farm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amaranth farm View Post
    You only need to register if more than half of your total output is bulk sales to a packer. Do you?
    Actually, I believe you are referring to the exemption of a retail establishment. This means that your primary business is retail sales, and that you are selling half or more of your total product DIRECT to consumers (farm gate, mail order, CSA, farmer's market). Wholesale doesn't count as DIRECT sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnallin View Post
    It's my understanding that the FDA registration is more about tracing a food products source in the event of tainted product. You agree to supply contact information and location(s).

    It is not an endorsement by the FDA, the operator agrees to allow inspection if requested. I filled one out in '15 and received a reg number. I understood that to imply that if I sold product, I was willing to have someone look over what we do or at least be prepared to have "visitors" if someone got ill due to our syrup...

    I'm not a fan of bigger government, or more regulation. But I do like the fact that in this country we have standards established to ensure that our grandkid's formula isn't produced in a re-purposed heating oil tank! Bottom line is that if you're producing a product for human consumption - it's either made right or it isn't. If I need surgery, it's good to know that the Dr. has spent the time and resources to learn his craft...Any thing less is akin to the fox guarding the hen house.

    Not trying to stir things up, but the maple industry has lots of professionals who have invested heavily in sanitary best practice equipment and methods who compete with semi-pro hobbyists. Selling farm gate or at the sugar house is one thing, selling mainstream opens up another can of worms. My 2¢.
    I have seen what I feel is Govt over reach many times. and yet I agree with you on this one

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