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    I'm planning to build a small RO system this fall and was thinking of using 400gpd membranes instead of 150 like all the YouTube videos seem to use unless there is a reason they use the smaller ones that I'm not picking up on. Can I run two 400gpd membranes off the standard aquatech pump 8800?
    2017 - 45 taps on buckets 260gal sap 6gal syrup
    2018 - 92 taps on bags

    All boiled on a homemade 2x5 fuel oil evaporator using 6 steam pans

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    Also, I have heard that you typically get 1/6th production from the rated gpd so a 400gpd membranes would produce 66gpd. What is that 66? Is it making 66gph of permeate?
    2017 - 45 taps on buckets 260gal sap 6gal syrup
    2018 - 92 taps on bags

    All boiled on a homemade 2x5 fuel oil evaporator using 6 steam pans

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    I don't think the small 400gpd membranes have been available very long, and that's why most people haven't used them. I'm planning to expand my 150gpd membrane with a 400gpd this year.
    2015 - 8 buckets, 332L sap, 8.5L syrup - Barrel evaporator, 2 steam pans
    2016 - 8 buckets, 432L sap
    2017 - 10 bags, 470L sap, 9L syrup
    2018 - 20 bags, 1050L sap, 17.6L syrup
    2019 - 20 bags, 970L sap, 22.2L syrup
    2020 - 17 bags, 813L sap, 17L syrup

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    I am planning on doing the same thing this year running 2 400gpd membranes in series using the Aquatech 8800 pump.
    2' x 3' backyard evaporator with homemade steam hood
    38.5 gallons produced in 2022
    120 taps all on 3/16" tubing
    4" x 40" homemade RO built for 2023
    https://sites.google.com/view/mattat...aplesyrup/home

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    Not only are the 400 gpd membranes a consideration, but you'll also notice the online builds are all plumbed with 1/4" line. My build will be plumbed in 3/8 to help augment the flow. I'm gathering supplies now for the build, but I'm hoping to get to 8% at about 10-12 concentrate gph with three of the membranes.if I get that or better then that in flow I'll be pleased.
    2017- Started small-made 7 gallons. Long days & few nights on a 1x2 and turkey fryer.

    2018- Bought a 2x4 and built a small scale RO. 21 gallons.

    2019- moved up to 100 gph procon for my home built RO. Built a steamhood. About 220 taps and 21 gallons again.

    2020- 140 procon on the R0. Added a new mainline at my in laws. 330 taps for 24 gallons, sold excess sap.

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    Do you think the pump will be able to keep appropriate pressure with a larger line diameter?
    2017 - 45 taps on buckets 260gal sap 6gal syrup
    2018 - 92 taps on bags

    All boiled on a homemade 2x5 fuel oil evaporator using 6 steam pans

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    It would keep pressure better with the larger size than the smaller size. Pushing any fluid thru a pipe or tube has line friction. That line friction slows the total flow, the smaller the line the greater that loss. The resistance you want in only in the membrane housing, forcing water thru the membrane. Before and after the membrane you don't want needless line friction loss.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark B View Post
    Not only are the 400 gpd membranes a consideration, but you'll also notice the online builds are all plumbed with 1/4" line. My build will be plumbed in 3/8 to help augment the flow. I'm gathering supplies now for the build, but I'm hoping to get to 8% at about 10-12 concentrate gph with three of the membranes.if I get that or better then that in flow I'll be pleased.
    I think your numbers might be a little optimistic. It's very unlikely you will be able to get to 8% on a single pass which means you will need to do multiple runs or recirculate. As your sugar levels rise your flow rates drop especially at 125psi which is about where the 8800 pumps max out. If you are looking for those types of numbers I would strongly consider going with commercial RO components or at least a larger pump. My RO produces concentrate at 10-12 GPH at around 10% and that is using a 2600 GPD membrane recirculating at 250 psi. Good luck with your build and regardless of what your numbers are it will be a huge time and fuel savings.
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    Somebody hurry up and build this!! lol. I was thinking of building one like the original with 6 of the 150 gpd membranes but this has me waiting to see if the 400 gpd membranes is going to be a better solution.

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    already built but won't know until the sap runs how it works!
    2' x 3' backyard evaporator with homemade steam hood
    38.5 gallons produced in 2022
    120 taps all on 3/16" tubing
    4" x 40" homemade RO built for 2023
    https://sites.google.com/view/mattat...aplesyrup/home

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