+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 24

Thread: Pan Keeps Scorching

  1. #11
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    UVM Proctor Maple Research Center, Underhill Ctr, VT
    Posts
    6,413

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield Acer View Post
    I do not ever use a scoop when I'm boiling or anything.
    I always just let it boil and draw off.
    Same here. A scoop is to hang on the wall as a nice decoration or if you want some syrup for your donut. The sap/sweet will move naturally as you boil. Moving it around will just disrupt the natural process of gradient formation. You simply need to add sap at the inlet, and take syrup off at the outlet, and the gradient will form. The gradient formation is much more of a "leave it alone" thing than an active thing you need to do. About the only other action you might want to do would be to start drawing off early (slowly) to draw the sweet around a little in order to avoid overshooting syrup.

    It sounds to me like either your pan was not dead-level, the previous scorches have made high/low spots in the pan which will tend to scorch easier, or the scratches are causing niter to build up rapidly in that area. The solution is to either 1) level the pan, 2) run the pan very deep or 3) switch sides or stop and clean more frequently. If those don't work, then option 4) replace the pan. It is also possible that you have naturally hot and cold spots in the pan (pan edges are typically a bit colder than the middle), but since you've had the pans for a while, you're probably well aware of that nature if your pans were that way. If I were you, I'd try doing #1, 2, and 3 above (all at the same time), and if it scorches again, go to #4.
    Dr. Tim Perkins
    UVM Proctor Maple Research Ctr
    http://www.uvm.edu/~pmrc
    https://mapleresearch.org
    Timothy.Perkins@uvm.edu

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Eden Prairie, MN
    Posts
    1,636

    Default

    We don't excessively "scoop", but do find it handy to have one. Mostly when we reverse flow mid boil. We take several scoops from near the old draw and put it in the new. Helps avoid the third channel syrup event.

    Plus showing the aproning to guests is educational and entertaining.
    John
    2x8 Smokylake drop flue with AOF/ AUF
    180 taps on sacks
    75 on 3/16 tubing with shurflo
    Eden Prairie, Minnesota

  3. #13
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    UVM Proctor Maple Research Center, Underhill Ctr, VT
    Posts
    6,413

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RileySugarbush View Post
    Mostly when we reverse flow mid boil. We take several scoops from near the old draw and put it in the new.
    Ah....I see. We do essentially the same when switching sides by drawing off a bucket of syrup and pouring it into the new draw-off floatbox.
    Dr. Tim Perkins
    UVM Proctor Maple Research Ctr
    http://www.uvm.edu/~pmrc
    https://mapleresearch.org
    Timothy.Perkins@uvm.edu

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Eden Prairie, MN
    Posts
    1,636

    Default

    Another handy use of our scoop: checking for niter by tapping on the bottom... "Tink , tink" sound = no problem. "Thud, thud" = time to reverse.
    John
    2x8 Smokylake drop flue with AOF/ AUF
    180 taps on sacks
    75 on 3/16 tubing with shurflo
    Eden Prairie, Minnesota

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Mercer PA
    Posts
    289

    Default

    So, does reversing just buy you more time or does it actually remove niter?
    Yes, my pan boils hardest in #2 & #3 since the pan bears on the side wall covering a good 1" all along.
    I too transfer some syrup but usually after a down period where all of the chambers have equalized. Then, once I get a boils started, I draw off a couple quarts from #4 and put it in #2 & #3. This is to avoid weak material in the draw off box and to keep for betting two plus chambers that all need to draw off at once.
    Thanks for the help.
    2 x 6 A&A raised flue w/ preheater, OFA & UFA
    600 gal Zero tank
    125 taps on vacuum w/homemade releaser, 70 on gravity, 75 on buckets + a partner with 100 more buckets
    7" short stack Wesfab press
    Homemade water jacketed canner
    Polaris Ranger sap hauler
    Two English Setters to keep watch on things

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    South Colton, NY
    Posts
    642

    Default

    Removes, reversing is in the owners manual from Leader for our pans and given the heat pattern from our guns we will sometimes get syrup in the third tray before the flow that Dr Tim talked about is established. We do start the draw early to compensate, but we also check that tray with a scoop when it gets close. I should also confess that I sometimes fish with worms (horrors) not very cool but simple and effective.......
    3,100 taps
    60 cfm flood
    HC2
    5 by 14 oil

    Brian

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Albion PA
    Posts
    5,099

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunday Rock Maple View Post
    Not knowing your setup I can't be specific, but in general you probably need both more depth and better flow (scoop towards the draw off and check for aproning more often).
    Brian,
    3000+ taps and you know what aproning is too. Not many folks left! Thanks. You comments were right on the money.
    Regards,
    Chris
    Casbohm Maple and Honey
    625 roadside taps + Neighbors bring some sap too!
    3x10 King, WRU, AOF and AUF
    12" SIRO Filter Press.
    2015 Ford F250 PSD sap hauler
    One Golden named Maggie, Norwegian Forest Cat named Lucy
    Too many Cub Cadets
    Ford Jubilee and several Allis WD's, and IH tractors
    1932 Ford AAB ton and a half, dump truck

    www.mapleandhoney.com

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Mercer PA
    Posts
    289

    Default

    OK, so how deep on average should the syrup be in the front pan (assuming a flat bottom)?
    2 x 6 A&A raised flue w/ preheater, OFA & UFA
    600 gal Zero tank
    125 taps on vacuum w/homemade releaser, 70 on gravity, 75 on buckets + a partner with 100 more buckets
    7" short stack Wesfab press
    Homemade water jacketed canner
    Polaris Ranger sap hauler
    Two English Setters to keep watch on things

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Potter County, PA
    Posts
    815

    Default

    It all depends on your comfort level. I prefer to only have syrup in the draw off box!
    With a 2 by x i would think most run between 3/4" and 1". Only reason to run deeper is if you have a high spot in your pan or if you are new to an evaporator and learning the work flow.
    2008 4 buckets
    ~
    2016 1300 vac tubing
    18x24 sugar shack
    2x6 Grimm Lightning w/preheater on natural gas
    7" full bank press
    CDL 600 RO
    2000 Sonoma w/ 200gal tank
    2003 Duramax w/ 500 gal tank
    2 sap guzzling kids
    very patient wife!

    Same ol' addiction

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Mercer PA
    Posts
    289

    Default

    Sounds like I'm OK. I probably run 3/4 at the float box and one inch in the deepest warp.
    2 x 6 A&A raised flue w/ preheater, OFA & UFA
    600 gal Zero tank
    125 taps on vacuum w/homemade releaser, 70 on gravity, 75 on buckets + a partner with 100 more buckets
    7" short stack Wesfab press
    Homemade water jacketed canner
    Polaris Ranger sap hauler
    Two English Setters to keep watch on things

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts