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    There is always maples to be cut when thinning and maintaining your sugar lot. Sometimes you have to cut some because they are too close together, or they are no longer healthy. No reason not to burn the wood to make syrup.
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    Uhm, I personally doubt that anyone else has that strong a moral qualm about burning maple in their arch. Part of responsible forestry is pruning trees, clearing out deadfall, and removing trees that are clearly not doing well or are standing dead. I bet many of those with maple woodlots that they tend bring home and buck up maple that has been felled for a legitimate reason. Why let good wood go to waste? And strictly fwiw, I tell my sugars at the start of the season that they have a choice: Give me sap, or give me firewood. Usually I get sap :-)
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    2019 - 18 taps/8 trees...585l sap, 28l syrup...21:1 ratio
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    2022 - 18 taps/8 trees....7 sugars 1 red due to #2 having surgery so had the season off....582l sap, 18.5l syrup
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    Is it wrong to put cheese (a dairy product from cows) on a hamburger? Or make an omelet with shredded chicken in it?

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    Thanks for all the input. "give me sap or give me fire wood" just about had my mind changed. But then I read about cheese on a burger...Who doesn't put cheese on a burger? So I guess I go home split it up and burn it. I will give my Dad a bottle that it helped make!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 Oaks View Post
    Thanks for all the input. "give me sap or give me fire wood" just about had my mind changed....
    Hehe, think that'll be my sideproject this year...get some 'Give me sap or give me firewood' T-shirts done up...problem is trees can't read ;-) And definitely make the most of that great maple you have on hand now to burn.
    Been tapping since 2008.
    2018 - 17 taps/7 trees...819l sap, approx 28l syrup
    2019 - 18 taps/8 trees...585l sap, 28l syrup...21:1 ratio
    2020 - 18 taps/8 trees...890.04l sap...gave away about 170l, 30l snafu'd....23l total for me from approx 690l
    2021 - 18 taps/8 trees...395l sap, 12 l syrup
    2022 - 18 taps/8 trees....7 sugars 1 red due to #2 having surgery so had the season off....582l sap, 18.5l syrup
    2023 - 18 taps/8 trees...all sugars again. 807l sap, so far approx 14l syrup

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 Oaks View Post
    Who doesn't put cheese on a burger?
    Those who are lactose intolerant.
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    Your not the only person that feels that way. Im a logger and i wont cut hard maple if its healthy. Moral objections.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTimPerkins View Post
    Those who are lactose intolerant.
    Good point. I was watching Youtube the other day and saw your smiling face. We were in the shack. My buddy jumped when i yelled "hey its the Doctor!!" and I cranked the volume so i could hear you.

    "Hehe, think that'll be my sideproject this year...get some 'Give me sap or give me firewood' T-shirts done up...problem is trees can't read ;-) And definitely make the most of that great maple you have on hand now to burn."

    I will send you money for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galena View Post
    Hehe, think that'll be my sideproject this year...get some 'Give me sap or give me firewood' T-shirts done up...problem is trees can't read ;-) And definitely make the most of that great maple you have on hand now to burn.
    Galena If you make them I want a link to it. I WANT one of them. LOL

    No one would really understand when I wear it, unless they are as twisted as the rest of us here on these forums. I love doing things that make people question me and my sanity anyhow.

    I wore one for the longest time that said, "Please to not interrupt me while I am trying to ignore you."
    I used to get some odd looks and it made it more enjoyable to me.

    as to if its morally wrong?
    If its laying next to my woodpile and split. Its going in the fire. Its a warning to trees no matter what its best not to die or tick me off.
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    Burn it its free wood! I gotta believe it's a fitting end for maple to make syrup or fine carpentry. I don't shy away from burning it in the house or the evaporator, it never occurred it could be bad luck!
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