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    not big. 10-15 gallons was good enough for me for circulating. i have heard people using less though (~8gal for 1 membrane)

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    How much benefit is a small heated wash tank versus saving all of my permeate in a 275 Gal IBC tote and flushing with it after the run, or during if I get fouling? I'm looking at running 250-500 gal of sap through the RO. 250 taps on 3/16" high slope.
    '12 15 jugs - Steam pans
    '17 125 3/16 - 18" x 72" drop flue on homemade arch
    '18 240 3/16 - Deer Run 125
    '19 450 3/16 - Converted RO to electric/added a membrane
    '20 600 3/16 - Maple Pro 2x6 Raised Flue, added AOF/AUF
    '21 570 3/16 - Built steam hood, Smoky Lake filter press
    '22 800 3/16 - Upgraded RO to 4 4x40
    '23 500 3/16 - Re-plumbed RO, new "Guzzler"
    '24 500 3/16 - Steam Away, DIY 8x40 RO

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    Hey there. I have a similar tap count as you.

    Well as we all know hot water cleans lot better than cold water. Your best bet is to just have a 7-10 gallon pot and put an inexpensive heat stick in that pot that can run off of 120v. This will allow you to heat up the water/lye mix to around 90 - 110° depending on the instructions of your membranes. This is what I do. I just take some of the permeate and heat up with a heat stick I used to use a long time ago to electrically heat up water for brewing beer.

    I didn't incorporate a built-in pot on my set up because I wanted portability. If you would like my cleaning schedule you can message me

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    [QUOTE=WoodButcher;314844]Thanks for the kind words everyone. I'm glad its going to help people out. I have had multiple private messages already from people wanting my parts list.
    Good news is, I record/document everything (engineery brain), so below is my parts list with rough pricing and links. i also have reference links below some items.
    The parts are essentially in an order based on the flow of the schematic, aside from the dolly build on top.


    Enjoy!



    Shopping list:


    Dolly frame: $35
    http://www.harborfreight.com/700-lb-...uck-62900.html

    Extra steel: $60
    72" 1.5 x 3/16" thick flat stock
    10' 1"x1"x1/8 square tube
    12ga aluminum plate (needed to polish myself, but the welding shop had the aluminum and used a hydraulic shear to cut it perfectly for me)


    Parts in order of flow:


    Shallow well 1hp pump: $140
    maybe look elsewhere as this is cast iron.. it may rust if its not filled with glycol in the off season. only time will tell...

    10A at 120V / 5A*at 240v
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deep-Well-or...gTuk4pvnMsJGgg

    https://www.pexuniverse.com/docs/pdf...ump-manual.pdf


    Whole house filter 4.5x10. Pentair Big Blue : $30 - 15gpm
    ebay auction

    Filters: $53 for 12 (4.42 ea)
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/191808915068
    maybe pick up pleated 5 micron filters so you can wash out the debris and reuse?

    Filter bracket: $9
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ZVJKAP96W6E328

    Filter Wrench: $4
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER


    2 Pressure gauges for before and after sediment filter 100psi: $40
    Remember, these work fine for now, but i think if they were liquid filled gauges they might last longer since the needle vibrates a bit with these. I couldnt find any flush mount liquid filled that mounted to thin metal
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    http://winters.com/wp-content/uploads/PEU.pdf

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Winters-I...39UC/205962482


    Low Pressure Switch set to turn on when greater than 30psi = $65
    Black (Com) 1 Green (NC) 2 Red (NO) 3
    Currently set at 30 PSI, which is ~6 full turns out from fully seated for reference

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    references:
    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...ches/en/209166
    http://www.gemssensors.com/~/media/G...ps11-ps97.ashx
    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...re-switches/en


    2hp motor: $200
    5/8" shaft, 3/16" key
    Full Load Amps: 17.8/8.9
    http://www.ptjindustrial.com/Sierra_.../s2-18-56c.htm
    or ebay. but direct was cheaper.


    Procon high pressure brass 330GPH pump :
    330gph bolt on / flat shaft: $145 shipped

    1/2" ports
    Call and request 114E330F11XX since it is food grade (1 *1* 4)
    http://edco-distributing.myshopify.c...ies4proconpump
    Specs: https://store-c59cb.mybigcommerce.com/content/Series 4 Pump_spec.pdf
    Drawing: https://store-c59cb.mybigcommerce.com/content/Series 4 Pump_drawing.pdf


    Mounting Bracket for series 4: $40
    https://www.amazon.com/1048-1C-Proco.../dp/B007BG9A3Y

    Coupler for Procon 330GPH: $15
    7/16" shaft, no keyway
    https://www.amazon.com/Lovejoy-Stand...=lovejoy+10768


    Coupler for motor side 5/8" / 3/16"
    L090 401 in lbs $7
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER



    SOX spider:
    SOX 194 in lbs $5

    https://www.amazon.com/Lovejoy-090-0...=lovejoy+11070


    High pressure switch. set at 250psi: $65

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...ches/en/209505
    http://www.gemssensors.com/~/media/G...ps11-ps97.ashx
    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...re-switches/en


    Stainless Steel Housing 4" x 40" 1/2" Feed: $105
    ebay auction


    4x40" membrane: $225
    Filmtec XLE-4040 (14gpm max feed flow rate, 2600gpd)
    ebay auction

    research:
    http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc

    Fouling prevention
    http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc

    How to insert membrane
    http://www.dow.com/webapps/lit/litor.../609-02069.pdf


    High Pressure Gauge : $18
    https://www.amazon.com/Winters-Econo...ters+0-300+psi


    2 SS needle valves: $140 for 2
    https://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-...pt-316-ss.aspx



    Flowmeter for permeate and concentrate :$65

    CONCENTRATE - .1-1
    PERMEATE - .2-2
    https://www.foreverpureplace.com/LZT...lzt-1001-m.htm
    https://www.foreverpureplace.com/LZT...lzt-1002-m.htm

    reference: http://www.greatlakesintl.com/assets...ers_gauges.pdf


    Electrical Panel Gear:
    13.9a total on 240v
    28 on total on 120v

    4 240v 30a coil relays: $40
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    all led's and switches are 22mm and can be found on amazon or ebay
    1 on/off switch
    1 blue "on" led light
    1 green light to indicate NO side of the low pressure switch is now NC due to hitting 30psi
    1 alarm buzzer to indicate NO on high pressure switch since pressure is too high and to shut down
    1 push button momentary to manually turn on well pump on initial startup


    Enclosure: $20
    ebay is best. try and make it waterproof

    Temperature Controller: $16
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Wire:

    25' 12-4 power cord for wall plus ends: $66


    14/3 gauge SO wire for pump and procon to box: $50
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


    15' enclosed 1/4" dia or less 3wire for 2 switches: $10
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    (might want to get 4 wire enclosed but i just used 3-wire and didnt use the ground). needs to be around .25"-.30" OD max to fit into the pressure switches above)

    Hoses and connections: ~$450 for all


    High Pressure hose and fittings:
    1/2" hose
    http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...1431&catid=993

    Kynar fittings:
    be careful, basic nylon fittings are mixed in with them in the list. the kynars are towards the bottom of each page.
    http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/def...lickid=popcorn[/QUOTE



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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodButcher View Post
    Thanks for the kind words everyone. I'm glad its going to help people out. I have had multiple private messages already from people wanting my parts list.
    Good news is, I record/document everything (engineery brain), so below is my parts list with rough pricing and links. i also have reference links below some items.
    The parts are essentially in an order based on the flow of the schematic, aside from the dolly build on top.


    Enjoy!



    Shopping list:


    Dolly frame: $35
    http://www.harborfreight.com/700-lb-...uck-62900.html

    Extra steel: $60
    72" 1.5 x 3/16" thick flat stock
    10' 1"x1"x1/8 square tube
    12ga aluminum plate (needed to polish myself, but the welding shop had the aluminum and used a hydraulic shear to cut it perfectly for me)


    Parts in order of flow:


    Shallow well 1hp pump: $140
    maybe look elsewhere as this is cast iron.. it may rust if its not filled with glycol in the off season. only time will tell...

    10A at 120V / 5A*at 240v
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deep-Well-or...gTuk4pvnMsJGgg

    https://www.pexuniverse.com/docs/pdf...ump-manual.pdf


    Whole house filter 4.5x10. Pentair Big Blue : $30 - 15gpm
    ebay auction

    Filters: $53 for 12 (4.42 ea)
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/191808915068
    maybe pick up pleated 5 micron filters so you can wash out the debris and reuse?

    Filter bracket: $9
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ZVJKAP96W6E328

    Filter Wrench: $4
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER


    2 Pressure gauges for before and after sediment filter 100psi: $40
    Remember, these work fine for now, but i think if they were liquid filled gauges they might last longer since the needle vibrates a bit with these. I couldnt find any flush mount liquid filled that mounted to thin metal
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    http://winters.com/wp-content/uploads/PEU.pdf

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Winters-I...39UC/205962482


    Low Pressure Switch set to turn on when greater than 30psi = $65
    Black (Com) 1 Green (NC) 2 Red (NO) 3
    Currently set at 30 PSI, which is ~6 full turns out from fully seated for reference

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    references:
    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...ches/en/209166
    http://www.gemssensors.com/~/media/G...ps11-ps97.ashx
    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...re-switches/en


    2hp motor: $200
    5/8" shaft, 3/16" key
    Full Load Amps: 17.8/8.9
    http://www.ptjindustrial.com/Sierra_.../s2-18-56c.htm
    or ebay. but direct was cheaper.


    Procon high pressure brass 330GPH pump :
    330gph bolt on / flat shaft: $145 shipped

    1/2" ports
    Call and request 114E330F11XX since it is food grade (1 *1* 4)
    http://edco-distributing.myshopify.c...ies4proconpump
    Specs: https://store-c59cb.mybigcommerce.com/content/Series 4 Pump_spec.pdf
    Drawing: https://store-c59cb.mybigcommerce.com/content/Series 4 Pump_drawing.pdf


    Mounting Bracket for series 4: $40
    https://www.amazon.com/1048-1C-Proco.../dp/B007BG9A3Y

    Coupler for Procon 330GPH: $15
    7/16" shaft, no keyway
    https://www.amazon.com/Lovejoy-Stand...=lovejoy+10768


    Coupler for motor side 5/8" / 3/16"
    L090 401 in lbs $7
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER



    SOX spider:
    SOX 194 in lbs $5

    https://www.amazon.com/Lovejoy-090-0...=lovejoy+11070


    High pressure switch. set at 250psi: $65

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...ches/en/209505
    http://www.gemssensors.com/~/media/G...ps11-ps97.ashx
    http://ecatalog.gemssensors.com/ecat...re-switches/en


    Stainless Steel Housing 4" x 40" 1/2" Feed: $105
    ebay auction


    4x40" membrane: $225
    Filmtec XLE-4040 (14gpm max feed flow rate, 2600gpd)
    ebay auction

    research:
    http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc

    Fouling prevention
    http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc

    How to insert membrane
    http://www.dow.com/webapps/lit/litor.../609-02069.pdf


    High Pressure Gauge : $18
    https://www.amazon.com/Winters-Econo...ters+0-300+psi


    2 SS needle valves: $140 for 2
    https://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-...pt-316-ss.aspx



    Flowmeter for permeate and concentrate :$65

    CONCENTRATE - .1-1
    PERMEATE - .2-2
    https://www.foreverpureplace.com/LZT...lzt-1001-m.htm
    https://www.foreverpureplace.com/LZT...lzt-1002-m.htm

    reference: http://www.greatlakesintl.com/assets...ers_gauges.pdf


    Electrical Panel Gear:
    13.9a total on 240v
    28 on total on 120v

    4 240v 30a coil relays: $40
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    all led's and switches are 22mm and can be found on amazon or ebay
    1 on/off switch
    1 blue "on" led light
    1 green light to indicate NO side of the low pressure switch is now NC due to hitting 30psi
    1 alarm buzzer to indicate NO on high pressure switch since pressure is too high and to shut down
    1 push button momentary to manually turn on well pump on initial startup


    Enclosure: $20
    ebay is best. try and make it waterproof

    Temperature Controller: $16
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Wire:

    25' 12-4 power cord for wall plus ends: $66


    14/3 gauge SO wire for pump and procon to box: $50
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


    15' enclosed 1/4" dia or less 3wire for 2 switches: $10
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    (might want to get 4 wire enclosed but i just used 3-wire and didnt use the ground). needs to be around .25"-.30" OD max to fit into the pressure switches above)

    Hoses and connections: ~$450 for all


    High Pressure hose and fittings:
    1/2" hose
    http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...1431&catid=993

    Kynar fittings:
    be careful, basic nylon fittings are mixed in with them in the list. the kynars are towards the bottom of each page.
    http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/def...lickid=popcorn
    What parts were used for the low and high pressure switches?
    The flow meters if I understand it correctly are for 1 and 2 bpm. Seems low to me, am I missing something?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ccbrit View Post
    What parts were used for the low and high pressure switches?
    The flow meters if I understand it correctly are for 1 and 2 bpm. Seems low to me, am I missing something?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanabe1972 View Post
    I've found 5 micron filters on eBay in a box of 24 for around 36 dollars. Jeff
    I'm interested in what prefilters you're using, because what I'm finding seems to be a lot more than $36 for 24 filters.

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    So I am an electrical idiot... how does one properly wire these motors for 220 and what kind of switch to use. I assume a relay is always needed?
    custom made 2x7 intensofire
    With SL pans
    250 deer run
    300 3/16 (new 2016)
    500 sacks around the neighborhood

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    PM sent.
    Thanks.

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    Jeremy,

    What’s the max sugar concentration you can get with this RO?
    I’m looking to step up from my 4x150 and seems your build may fit the needs.

    Thanks

    Bryan
    2024 - 160 taps, Shurflo 4048. Sap Sucker 4-D. Mason 2x4 Raised Flue. 5x400 RO.
    2023 - 121 taps. Shurflo 4008. Sap Sucker 4-D. Mason 2x4 XL, 4x150 RO. 20 gallons.
    2022 - 103 taps. Shurflo 4008. Sap Sucker 4-D. Mason 2x4 XL, 4x150 RO. 23 gallons.
    2021 - 77 taps on Shurflo 4008. Sap Sucker 4-D. Mason 2x4 XL, 4x150 RO. 22 gallons.
    2020 - 70ish taps on Shurflo 4008. Mason 2x4 XL. DIY R.O. ~24 gallons.
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