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    Default Slowing down the big guys

    I just brought syrup today to sell and the market is flooded. I think something needs to happen with all these big guys. This is rediculis and they say it is not going to get any better soon. They need to cap the big guy and set a standard for the littel producers to. They say they don't hurt the market but they meed to open there eyes you are cutting your own neck. 500,000 taps come on realy. 50,000 cap should be set. This market is hurting us all.
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    Yeah someone mentioned to me that their buyer is all set. The northern regions had a very good crop this year so that is likely to explain it. The same thing happened in 2013.
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    Just curious but what were they paying for syrup? I heard commercial is well below $1 a pound now. Either that or someone was feeding me a load of BS, which is entirely possible! Commercial grade has gotten extremely flooded from what i've heard. I agree the big guys keep getting bigger and the little guys are paying the price. Sweet Tree better be finding some kick *** markets and finding them soon or we will have a serious issue on our hands. I bet there will be over a million new taps put on this year. Thats a lot of syrup that has to go somewhere...hope my customers stick with me!
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    Let's not make the US like quebec.
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    Couldn't agree more on this. Although I do appreciate seeing big operations simply because I love stainless and plumbing, I've thought from the beginning that all the huge amounts of taps being added can only hurt the price, especially the bulk market. I think I'm lucky that the operation I sell some bulk to actually prefers the small operations, wood fired especially and prefers dark syrup!
    I work my tail off to try to sell as much of my syrup as possible retail.
    On a side note Sugaringman85 I personally know of 3 producers that sold syrup to Bascoms
    One brought some off tasting syrup there mid to late season and got $2.30
    Another brought dark good tasting syrup and got $1.75
    While another got $2.20 for techno low flavor syrup
    I guess I'll take the $2.25 I got for mine

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    Doesn't matter how much we are making in the USA, we still have to import from Canada.
    The market isn't getting hurt by big producers. Maple is still the best farming enterprise going. If you don't like the price you are getting for your surplus bulk, stop making extra. If you want producer caps and quotas... move to Canada.
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    THE FEDERATION IN QUEBEC SETS THE BULK PRICE. Has nothing to do with big producers in the US.
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    Unless there's some sort of entitlement to a certain market share, I can't see how this is any different than the market for corn, heavily dominated by the big guys, but the little guys still sell into that market.
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    supply and demand, keep uncle Sam out of it as much as possible
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    What he said! /\ /\

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